In episode 104 Dr. Jill talks with stylist Gwen of Envogue Salon on Common Causes and Solutions to Hair Loss in women.
Key Points:
- Stress, infection and fever (post-COVID) are common causes of Telogen effluvium
- Key nutrients for preventing hair loss are zinc, selenium, biotin, choline, vitamin A, D and E
- Hair growth serums can restore loss of hair on scalp.
Dr. Jill
Dr. Jill Carnahan is Your Functional Medicine Expert® dually board certified in Family Medicine for ten years and in Integrative Holistic Medicine since 2015. She is the Medical Director of Flatiron Functional Medicine, a widely sought-after practice with a broad range of clinical services including functional medical protocols, nutritional consultations, chiropractic therapy, naturopathic medicine, acupuncture, and massage therapy. As a survivor of breast cancer, Crohn’s disease, and toxic mold illness she brings a unique perspective to treating patients in the midst of complex and chronic illness. Her clinic specializes in searching for the underlying triggers that contribute to illness through cutting-edge lab testing and tailoring the intervention to specific needs.
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Dr. Jill 0:13
Good morning, everyone! I'm often not here on Facebook Live, but I'm so excited to meet you here today and talk about something that not only is super relevant—I had planned this talk before the relevancy [of it] in the news lately of alopecia and hair loss, [which] has become such a topic of conversation—but I know many of you listening out there have either experienced this or someone you care about has experienced this. I feel like many, many more of my patients are seeing issues with hair loss, so I wanted to talk about that subject today. And I couldn't think of a better person to bring in than my amazing stylist, Gwen, who's at Envogue Salon. She's live on-site today with lots of great solutions. I'm super excited to introduce her in just a minute to talk about some of those solutions.
Dr. Jill 0:58
But first, just a little background. You can hear me here on Youtube. You can also catch this podcast anywhere you listen to podcasts, [like] Stitcher, iTunes, etc. Of course, right now we're live on Facebook. This is Dr. Jill live. You can find all of my blogs, articles, and about 10 years of information on my website at jillcarnahan.com. All kinds of free resources [are] there. I actually, just a few months ago, wrote an article about the causes of hair loss. So if you want more information or want to read in-depth, you can find that on my blog at jillcarnahan.com.
Dr. Jill 1:31
Today we're going to talk about some amazing salon products and solutions that Gwen has and takes care of her clients with. But you can also find products and solutions on drjillhealth.com. There's one particular product we actually use for hair loss, and we'll talk a little bit about that later. I'm so excited, Gwen, to have you here today. We met a couple of years ago, right in the midst of the pandemic. You have been amazing in my life because I feel like you've taken the quality of my hair, my thickness, and the health of my hair to a new level. It's been so [much] fun to work with you and to try new things and learn new things. I just consider you an expert in the field, and obviously, you're an advanced stylist. You have a long client list. I just feel lucky and blessed to have you in my life in that way. So welcome.
Gwen 02:20
Thank you so much. I'm looking forward to having this conversation with you and gathering client needs and solutions for our clients to have thicker, fuller, more beautiful hair.
Dr. Jill 02:30
Yes. Again, it's so exciting. I wanted to just share today on all levels. First of all, I might just share just a little bit about the causes of hair loss because I believe that lots and lots of people are experiencing problems with thinning hair, hair loss, and even complete alopecia, which is [alopecia] totalis, where you lose everything on your scalp. I also just want to share briefly [that] I have been there. You may think right now, I have this lovely hair that's all growing out. But I wanted to share—Gwen, I don't know if I've even shared this picture with you, just really quick—and tell my story.
Dr. Jill 03:02
Twenty years ago, I think many of you know, I had cancer. But this was me right after chemo. I don't know if you all can see that picture—totally bald. That's one of these types of hair loss called alopecia—I'm sorry—it's the alopecia that happens after chemo. So the chemo causes the hair follicles to fall out and you lose all your hair. All this to say, I actually have been completely bald before, in my 20s when I had cancer and chemotherapy. I know what it's like.
Dr. Jill 03:35
I told Gwen the other day, as we were talking when I was in her chair getting styled: “I had breast cancer. I had scars and surgeries on my breasts, which as a woman is a very personal part of my image and how I feel about myself. But the hardest thing about that cancer was not the surgeries, not the impact of scars on my breast, it was having no hair.” I know maybe some of you have dealt with that and dealt with it better than I did, but it was really hard to go out bald. Obviously, at the time, I had wigs. I had all kinds of things I could do.
Dr. Jill 04:05
I remember one particular incident when I was going through airport security and they were like, “Ma'am, take off your hat.” I had a hat that had beautiful hair. So I looked really normal. I was like, ‘Okay.' I take off my hat and I'm completely bald and there's a lot of shame and embarrassment in that situation walking through. Obviously, they didn't know that; they weren't trying to single me out. But it was one of those things that stick in my mind because there's something about our hair that makes us feel human and beautiful and connected.
Dr. Jill 04:33
I think, especially as women—for me—it's just lovely to have hair again. I also always joke because I found a word at that time. Bald is one thing; it's just kind of this four-letter word. But there's another word that means hairless, and it's called ‘glabrous.' I always use that word because I thought it was so much more fun to say. Well, I'm ‘glabrous' than bald. But like I said, this is close to my heart. Because I have been there and I have experienced that.
Dr. Jill 05:01
People can have all kinds of types of hair loss. I'll just share a couple of those because part of the issue with hair loss is figuring out what might be going on and what kinds of hair loss might be happening. Because if you can get to the root cause, then you can have a solution. One of the things that is happening a lot right now is telogen effluvium. Most of our hair, about 90%, is in this growing phase for anywhere from two to eight years. It's growing, doing its thing, and then when it gets to the end of its cycle, it goes into this telogen phase and it falls out.
Dr. Jill 05:35
Usually, only about 10% of our hair falls out at one time. We notice there are a few hairs in the shower or the sink, but it's not like we're getting handfuls. But Gwen, have you been hearing more and more clients with handfuls of hair or a lot more hair than usual falling out? I'd love to hear [what is being brought up about this] when you have clients in the chair. What kinds of things are you hearing there in the salon about hair loss and the experiences of your clients?
Gwen 05:57
Absolutely. It's one of the main causes that motivated me to want to have a conversation and seek out your expertise in this field. After two decades in my industry, it's a huge concern and it's growing and growing even more. I hear women say things [such as] “it's not as full as it used to be,” or “it has really thinned out over time.” Sometimes there's scalp exposure. Sometimes it's just the overall condition, the luster, the density, the fullness, the body that seems to be changing over time, and there are various factors that they are looking to me for answers. That's why I look to you to help me help them with: Why is it happening? And also, what can we do about it to help everybody look and feel their best?
Dr. Jill 06:41
I love that. And I promise you, hang in [there] because we've got some amazing solutions from Gwen. She obviously has a hair model there with the wig, and we're going to talk in-depth about what you can do if you've had hair loss. Just briefly, if you're having telogen effluvium—if you've ever been pregnant and three or four months after, you lose a lot of hair, that's the same thing that happens with this. It can also happen after an intense fever or illness. I'm seeing a lot of people that got sick with COVID. Two or three months later, if you look back, [you may notice the link]. One of the first questions I ask my patients if they have a lot of hair loss is when did it start? They might say, “It started in January.” So I say: “Go back three months from when it started. Did something happen in your life [such as] the death of a loved one, a high fever, illness, or some other thing that happened?” Because often they can pinpoint it back to some event in their life like being ill and then they lost their hair.
Dr. Jill 07:30
What I can usually say in that case is if I look at their scalp and there are no big bald patches, which is a whole other topic, I can tell them, “Your hair's going to grow back.” So if you're listening now and that fits you, it will grow back. It's just that all of a sudden, things shifted from that 10% of hair loss all of a sudden to about 50%. So it feels like tons of hair is coming out. But all those hairs are just in that cycle of falling out instead of growth. They will come back, and it may take a little while for you to get that fullness back because all of a sudden 50% of your hair is just starting over. But the truth is that it will come back in the coming years.
Dr. Jill 08:16
Other things I see are nutrient deficiencies and things, whether you have inflammation or gut issues. We need zinc, selenium, vitamin A, vitamin D, biotin, and choline. I always make sure nutrient-wise the patients have the right nutrients because whether you have a gut disorder where you're having malabsorption or other things, you can have issues with nutrients if you don't have the basics in your diet. And too much is sometimes just as bad as too little. So if you have excess toxicity of copper, zinc, or selenium, that can go that way too.
Dr. Jill 08:36
A few of the other really common causes would be issues with hormones and the thyroid. And of course, if you haven't had your doctor check your thyroid hormones like TSH and free T4 and free T3, those are some of the really important things to check and make sure a lot of issues with low T4 will cause hair loss. But if you excessively get prescription medication for your thyroid and you [suffer with] hyperthyroid, that can also cause hair loss. So either end of the spectrum with the thyroid can cause issues.
Dr. Jill 09:03
And finally, as we age—I'm in my 40s—our hormones change. Especially for women, loss of estrogen or menopause can cause thinning of hair, lack of luster, and some of the things that you talked about, Gwen, that you hear. Then there's something else. We call it male pattern baldness, but women can have this too. [It occurs when] you start converting your testosterone into dihydrotestosterone, or DHT. This can cause hair loss that's on the sides and the scalp here, so it thins out and there's usually a little bit of a peak here. You can probably actually look at it, Gwen, and tell [when there's] male pattern baldness. Some women get this too.
Dr. Jill 09:38
A lot of women now supplement with hormone replacement therapy, and you get testosterone and your body converts it to DHT, or dihydro[testosterone]. These are measurable in the blood, so there are other tests that you can ask your doctor for. You can check all the vitamins I mentioned in the blood. You can check the testosterone, estrogen, DHEA, cortisol, and DHT—the dihydrotestosterone—and then, like I mentioned, the thyroid. Those are some critical things you can do.
Dr. Jill 10:04
So basically, we have this falling out from illness, the telogen effluvium. We have hormone-related thyroid adrenal end female and male hormones. And this other spectrum—this is probably the most difficult one [which] I'll briefly mention and then we'll go to solutions—is the autoimmune or the scarring alopecia. Sometimes people can get diseases like lupus or fungal infections, and these can cause scarring of the hair follicles and hair loss. Usually, this is patchy, and there are big bald spots, and they're kind of shiny. You don't see any of the follicles there anymore. This can be permanent, and this is much scarier because you're getting these big patches and you don't see any new hair growth. Even with that, there's a lot you can do with steroids to calm inflammation, or with functional medicine to look at the root cause and reverse inflammation.
Dr. Jill 10:50
I have a 14-year-old patient who lost all of her hair after mold exposure. That can be related to high histamines and issues with mold. I remember, after I had mold, I lost about an inch or half an inch of my scalp hair because it kind of pulled back and fell out. It all came back afterward. But histamine, which is part of mast cell activation, can also cause hair loss. So that's a very brief but very broad overview of a lot of the things that we're seeing. Gwen, would you say in the last two years, with a pandemic and more and more people experiencing COVID, that one of the things you're seeing is hair loss in the last two years?
Gwen 11:25
I think it's increasing. Stress levels are up. People have gone through a lot in the last couple of years, and it's showing in their hair.
Dr. Jill 11:34
Yes. So let's talk about solutions. I want to dive into some things. Say someone comes in [with] post-chemo thinning and maybe we [can] talk about someone who really has the scarring, the glabrousness where they [are having] massive hair loss and their hair is so thin. They need a real solution for that. Then we can talk about products and options if they're just thinning or lacking luster.
Gwen 11:57
Absolutely. One of the things I wanted to start out with was a couple of images of clients that are before and after, just so someone could imagine: What could that look like for me? And what's out there that could be a solution to get more information to our clients? I wanted to show this picture here. This is a before and after. You can see.
Dr. Jill 12:21
Yes.
Gwen 12:21
This was brought by an educator from hairtalk, and it features a product called hairwear. So it's a semi-permanent piece that is applied to the top to involve more density and more volume on the top of the head. So I'll show you what this piece looks like. Essentially, this can be worn semi-permanently or daily to take on and off for temporary wear or for monthly maintenance. It can be applied in various different ways, and it comes in various different sizes. It's able to instantly change the way that your hair looks and likely how you feel. It's going to be applied over the top, and a stylist that is trained in this method is going to apply it. They're going to custom order the color, cut it and blend it, so you're going to look very natural.
Dr. Jill 13:12
Wow. I love that. Do you see a lot more in this scalp area where it's thinning up top? Is that where the—
Gwen 13:20
There are multiple places where people can be lacking density. It can be on the top, it can be on the sides, or on the bottom. Sometimes it's very obvious in one specific spot, which is where the topper would be a great option just to get awareness out and know that that's an option for people. I'll go ahead and show [you] this second image to give you another client that this would be an example for. So you can see with her hair, she is really starting to get separation on her part line. There's more scalp exposure and thinness in general to the point where it's almost getting to a balding situation. So again, a topper is applied and instantly changes the way that the hair looks.
Dr. Jill 14:00
That's amazing and it looks so natural—even the color there, the ombré kind of blending. Obviously, you guys are pros at that, but that looks amazing.
Gwen 14:10
I think that the client definitely wants to feel secure that no one's going to notice—it's going to be very discreet and very natural looking—and that they don't have to share unless they choose to.
Dr. Jill 14:21
Yes, oh that's amazing. I love that. For me, it's interesting because even this last year you and I talked [about this]. I think it was around September-October. I started having a lot of hair falling out of the top. I started using several different products and things. I think in that case it might have been a little conversion to DHT, stress, post-COVID—a bunch of different things are playing into that. And now it feels like it's starting to come back to normal. What kind of products or recommendations would you have there?
Gwen 14:52
So I'd like to showcase just a couple of products for us because the needs are so diverse and different things that people go through, anywhere from overall thinning to wanting more volume, dealing with breakage, dealing with the loss of density, loss of fullness. Kérastase came out with a product called Densifique. So, if you're looking for thicker, fuller hair… I'll go ahead and just give you an image of this product. This is for clients who are thinning and just would like to have more fullness and more body over time. This is a shampoo. There's a full line of products that they can use. This is just one example that can really help increase hair growth for clients.
Gwen 15:37
Secondly, some people deal with hair falling out. They might have a lot of hair on their brush, possibly in the shower. Sometimes it's even on their clothing items. Genesis is another product that Kérastase makes. This one is going to really, really help reduce the breakage in your hair and the hair fall. That's been very, very common in clients, I've noticed. Initialiste is a super hair serum. This is something that I think would be a go-to for anybody just looking to have more hair, healthier hair, and fuller hair. This is going to be applied weekly and, over about a two-month period of time, will make your hair feel thicker and fuller. Now, if you're wanting to take the next step and just maximize everything that's out there and available, Kérastase makes a product called Specifique.
Gwen 16:25
So, these are going to be [for] scalp treatments that are applied to your hair weekly. They're kind of like a super serum so that you can grow as much hair as possible. These are suitable for women. They're suitable for men. It's really going to [show] when you're dealing with something along these lines, where the hair is spreading apart, [there's] more scalp exposure, and they'd just like to see even small hair start to cover and give more density, more fullness. These treatments are applied to the scalp and can really help with that.
Dr. Jill 16:55
Wow, I love it. I've used some of those. I love the pink one.
Gwen 17:04
Yes, absolutely. The best thing is that there's such a variety of products that can be customized and used for people. It's not something that you have to suffer with; there are solutions.
Dr. Jill 17:12
Yes. There's a solution. Let's see, Kérastase has that blue one. Do you remember? I love that one too. I've been using that. I'll share another screenshot because those are [from] Kérastase. I literally have those in my shower. I love them. [As] I mentioned earlier, I have a product of my own that I've found really helpful. You guys can see that rapid regrowth serum down here at the bottom. I'll try to [zoom in]. For DHT, dihydrotestosterone, if you're having the male pattern stuff, that can be really helpful at blocking the DHT. In the beginning, when I was having that thinning, I used that serum. Now I'm using the Kérastase serum, and it's just great for maintenance. I feel like I have my hair back. It's like 80% back to where it was. So it's super, super important. And these serums, I brought [them] to show [you]. These are actually in real time. These are prescription peptides that also work at the scalp level.
Dr. Jill 18:09
So we have all these things and I literally combine them with patients. You can use a great line like Kérastase, you can use some of the growth serums like the Dr. Jill line, and then these peptides are super powerful. They're by prescription only. One of them particularly is for if you really have lost your hair, it'll help the regrowth of the hair at that follicular level. And the other ones are those dihydrotestosterone blockers.
Dr. Jill 18:33
I think that even a lot of the over-the-counter products have those DHT blockers in them because it's such a common thing. When we as women get into menopause, what happens is our estrogen usually drops. That can cause thinning and a lack of luster in the hair. So one of the things you can do with your doctor is talk about hormone replacement therapy. If you check and your levels are really low—like we said, low estrogen—you might want to replace that because that's going to be something that really helps your skin and hair.
Dr. Jill 18:57
A lot of the elasticity of our skin and the strength of our hair are related to hormones. So, as we go through menopause and those drop, you can replace those at the physical level. And then, like we said, the thyroid is a key. Some of the ingredients that make thyroid hormones are zinc and selenium. Those are absolutely key. So if you don't even know where to start with nutrients at the very basis, I would say usually zinc is appropriate—vitamin D and vitamin A can be appropriate.
Dr. Jill 19:24
Interestingly too, some of the fat-soluble vitamins which are A, D, K, and E, all of those are important for hair growth. If you have an issue with your gut where you're not absorbing things, or you've had Crohn's or colitis, or you've had gut inflammation, sometimes over time just the lack of nutrients—because you're not absorbing them—will lead to hair thinning and loss.
Dr. Jill 19:46
This is one that's really common and I've had this off and on where I just feel like, “Oh, it's kind of dry and brittle and lacking luster.” What would you recommend or what would you do with someone who has dry, brittle [hair], or a lack of shine? Anything in particular there that you would recommend?
Gwen 20:00
Yes, dryness is very common in our climate, and I'm noticing it in almost every client that I have in the salon. So I would say a deep conditioning mask would be a great place to start. [It's] something that you can do weekly and just apply to your ends. Leave it on for about 15 minutes. Kérastase has 10 different ones to choose from and they really get your hair looking [great with] lots of shine and in beautiful condition.
Dr. Jill 20:23
It does. It's amazing. When I come back from the salon, [I'm] like, “I don't know what you did, Gwen!”
Gwen 20:29
In the salon, we carry the Fusio-Dose treatment. So if you're just looking to address a variety of concerns, we have products that are for thinning, for losing hair, [for those] wanting more body. We also have them for dryness, brittle ends, if your hair is splitting or breaking, or damage from chemicals.
Gwen 20:28
We have a Fusio-Dose product that you can have applied in the salon, whether you're going to have your hair blown out or if you're going to have a color service done. It's going to really improve the condition of your hair instantly, and it lasts over a month.
Dr. Jill 20:59
Yes, that's the truth. Literally, I don't know what goes into that stuff. I was like, “Oh, what is this? This is amazing!”
Gwen 21:04
Magic serum!
Dr. Jill 21:04
Yes. You also gave me—I don't know if you remember, it was a Kérastase—the real shiny stuff. It's in a bigger bottle. What is that called? I love that I've been using that in my hair.
Gwen 21:15
Fibre Architecte, a blue product. It's a dual-treatment serum. It's really going to address any damage from heat, if you're over-styling your hair, excessive brushing, or if you just have general hair that tends to split and break on the ends—some hair just naturally does that. So that's a really great solution. I love to apply it dry after your hair has been blown out or styled, and just absorb it into your hair. It also has heat protection up to 400 degrees.
Dr. Jill 21:41
Oh wow. That's amazing. In Colorado, you have an extra hard job, I think. Say I'm flying to speak in Orlando or somewhere where it's much moister, literally my skin and my hair [improve]. I'm like, “What happened?” It's like new because of [all] that moisture in the environment. We just happen to live in an incredibly dry climate. If you're not using a really good sunscreen—I mean, all of these things that we do and the moisture, it's such a big deal, especially in Colorado, where we live.
Gwen 22:09
It’s common for people to have both issues at the same time. Sometimes, what's going on with the scalp can be completely different from what's going on at the ends. So they might be experiencing dry ends and also thinning at the same time. They might have oil through the top, which can clog the follicles and prevent hair from growing, and then also have dryness and breakage at the bottom.
Dr. Jill 22:30
Yes, and that's where those treatments can probably really work because you can treat the hair—
Gwen 22:34
Yes, the Fusio-Dose is excellent. We have a variety of products. There are even specific shampoos that will help treat the condition of your scalp. We have scrubs. [We have] any sort of different things to address what might be happening at the root, in the midst, and on the ends.
Dr. Jill 22:49
Wow, this is amazing and I know [it will be] super helpful to people who are experiencing this. Like I said, the main thing that we want to do is bring hope and solutions. Wherever you're at on that spectrum of hair loss, like I said, I've been there too. I've been bald. So I know what it's like to not have hair at all. Any last words of wisdom, Gwen, or things that we didn't talk about that would be ideas or solutions for patients or clients in your case?
Gwen 23:13
I would like to just encourage anybody listening, or even if it's a friend or family member, to not be shy about asking for the things that are concerning to you, whether it's booking a consultation with a stylist, or if you're already seeing someone regularly, bringing up the things that are bothering you, because likely they're bothering other people.
Gwen 23:34
Specialists, like myself—I've been educated on multiple different hair extension methods, topper methods, products, and even sometimes just blow-dry tips and a Fusio-Dose. You never know what can make a difference. So I would suggest a complimentary consultation. I would do that. Absolutely. I'd love to meet anybody who's interested in that or just wants to talk about it because there are so many things out there that can really change how you look and feel about your hair.
Dr. Jill 23:56
Gwen, you're amazing. I know you've changed my life because when you feel your hair looks good and you feel good, it really makes a difference. As I've been doing live and talking and speaking, it's really one of those things that's in the background and it's something hard for people to talk about. But it really does matter and it makes a difference in your confidence and how you appear.
Dr. Jill 24:15
So, thank you, not only for what you do for all of your clients, but personally, I am so grateful to have you in my life and as an expert on my hair. You've even added pretty color. We've been experimenting with colors, and it's been so [much] fun. So thank you for taking the time this morning to share with us. Thank you for all your expertise. Gwen is at Envogue Salon in Denver, so if you're local, she is one of the best. Thank you so much for your time today!
Gwen 24:42
Thank you so much!
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If you're a patient, you're also in for a treat. Stay tuned. Dr. Jill 02:47 Bruce was on the faculty of the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and later performed groundbreaking stem cell research at Stanford University. He's a best-selling author of The Biology of Belief—if you haven't read that book, it's a classic now—The Honeymoon Effect, and the co-author with Steve Bhaerman of Spontaneous Evolution. Bruce received his prestigious 2009 Goi Peace Award from Japan in honor of his scientific contribution to world harmony. Bruce, it is a true honor and delight to have you here! Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 03:17 Jill, I am a happy person to be here because this audience that I get a chance to talk to, to me, is a very important audience. These are the cultural creatives that are paving the way for the future that we need to get into very soon because we're facing an evolutionary upheaval at this very moment. Whether you watch the news, surf the web, or even look out your window, the whole planet has experienced chaos at every level of it. People are focusing on the little chaos, like focusing on the trees, without pulling back to see the biggest thing that's happening and nobody's saying the words. NASA—Let me just say NASA's words. NASA has recognized that within the next 20 years, civilization is facing—and this is my emphasis here—an irreversible collapse. The reason is so mathematically simple. Let me give the math. Dr. Jill 04:16 Sure. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 04:17 Science has recognized that to continue living just the way we're living—just say, let's every day live the way we're living today on this planet—it takes 1.6 planet Earths to provide the resources for today's civilization. The simple math is this: There's one Earth subtracted from 1.6, and we're recognizing: "Where the hell are we getting the extra points?" Dr. Jill 04:39 We're in a deficit. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 04:40 And that deficit is leading to the destruction of the web of life. We have to also recognize this: Even though the Bible is giving us some fanciful story that nature was created and then humans were added on top of nature—no, we evolved from nature. We are nature. If nature goes down, humans go down, because we are part of this web of life. Our separation in our consciousness [that causes us to believe] that we can dominate nature, I say, "How's that working?" I say, "We're facing an extinction." That's a biological reality at this moment. It's called a mass extinction. It happened five times in the history of this planet: Life was thriving, [then] mass extinction. It knocked it all out and then it started again. We are there because of our behavior. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 05:33 And I say, "Our behavior is based on our consciousness." I go: "Okay, wait a second. Is that New Age?" I go: "No, let's stop. No New Age here at this moment." [In] 1927—day one, quantum physics—Max Planck, the founding father of quantum physics, states: "The mind is the creator of our life experiences." Quantum physics—the most valid of all the sciences today in the sense of its predictions and accuracy. Quantum physics. And it's still the belief in quantum physics: Consciousness is controlling this. And I go: "So if consciousness is controlling this, then why are we in such a mess?" The answer is: We have been programmed, and the programming has disempowered us all. It has disempowered us as patients. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 06:28 I go: "I'll give you a program that disempowers you right now." I say, "What is it?" "It's called genetic determinism." That was what I was teaching in medical school: Genes control the character of life. I go: "Did we pick the genes as far as we know? No. But if we don't like the characters we have, can we change the genes? No, can't do that." And then let's just add a little tidbit: Genes turn on and off by themselves. And I say: "You put those together and what have you done? You have told the patients that their lives are not in their control, they're controlled by their heredity, and that they're victims of heredity. Which is victims of what? Genetics. And what does a person know about genetics? Nothing. Who does know something? The doctor. Aha! The program is: When it comes to health, people do not trust themselves." They say: "I need an expert opinion. I'm not knowledgeable." They accept the truth from somebody else. Dr. Jill 07:28 I so love the direction that you're going here because, as a physician, one of the most important things I can do is empower the patient and make sure that they don't think that I am the end-all-be-all. [I want them to know] that we are collaborating and that I listen to them, and I say: "How do you feel about this treatment plan? Where do you want to go?" Granted, if I have wisdom, I can give them that information, but they still get to make that decision. But so many patients are outsourcing that wisdom to someone. Or, at least paternalistically and historically, that has been the way. And what we need to do is take control of our own health. Dr. Jill 08:00 How many patients have gone through a loved one with breast cancer—I'm a breast cancer survivor, so I can speak on this—and they're told, "You have the BRCA gene and you need to have a bilateral mastectomy"? I'm going to be strong about this because I disagree. That's an action out of fear. To each his own, so if you've been out there and have done something based on your genetics, there's no judgment here. But what we're saying is that you actually have control over the expression of those genes. So why don't you go into epigenetics for those who don't know what that means and tell us a little primer on epigenetics and why we have more control than we think? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 08:34 Okay. The most important thing—and this is all scientific, so this is not any new age BS here, folks, this is science—I say: "What is it?" The belief that genes turn on and off is a completely false statement because a gene is a blueprint to make a protein. The proteins are the building blocks. Proteins wear out; you have to replace them. So you have to have a blueprint. It's called a gene. I go, "It's a blueprint!" I go, "Why is that relevant?" I say: "Go to an architect's office. She's working on a blueprint. You ask her, 'Hey, is your blueprint on or off?' She would look at you like, 'What are you talking about? There's no on and off to a blueprint.'" I go: "Aha! Aha! A gene is a blueprint. What you want to find out is: Who's the architect who reads the blueprint? The blueprint does not read itself. There's an architect." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 09:24 I saw this in my research in 1967. None of you were probably old enough to know what I'm talking about—1967! But I was cloning stem cells. Let's give the real name of a stem cell: An embryonic cell. It's an embryo's cell. It replaces things that are broken and gets a new one. I go: "So what? I clone the stem cell." I say, "What's that?" I say: "You put one stem cell in the culture dish. And then what? It divides every 10 or 12 hours." So first there's one, then there's 2, then there's 4, 8, and 16. A week later, [there are] 30,000 cells in the petri dish. What's the most important fact? They all came from one parent. I have 30,000 genetically identical cells. I split them into three petri dishes—one, two, three. Each dish has 10,000, 10,000, 10,000, all genetically the same. We grow cells in a culture medium. Ah, this is going to be the tricky part, for when you get this, the world changes. I'm going to come back to it. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 10:27 I say: "A culture medium is what the cells grow in in the lab. And I make it up by putting the chemistry or culture medium. Since I'm creating it, I can change some of the constituents. So I make three different versions of culture medium, A, B, and C." So I say, "So what?" Each one represents a different environment because the cells live in a culture medium. So I say: "Okay, dish one, environment A—the cells form muscle. Dish two, environment B—the cells form bone. Dish three, environment C—the cells form fat cells." I'm doing this experiment. I'm teaching genetic determinism, and I'm watching the cells and going— Dr. Jill 11:10 Wait a second. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 11:11 —"Wait a second, who controlled the activity?" They were all genetically the same. What was different? The environment. The chemistry of the environment selected the genes. The genes did not select themselves. Then, all of a sudden, I said, "Why is this important?" It's a revolution! I'll tell you why. Genetic determinism: Victim. The new science, epigenetics, which I'll explain: Master. Why? Because you control the environment. It's the environment that controls the cells. It's called epigenetics. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 11:48 [There's a] simple reason why the name [is what it is]. What do we call skin? Epidermis. Why? What's under the skin? A layer called dermis. What's the skin above the dermis? Epidermis. Epi: Above. Epigenetics: Control above the genes. I go, "Whoa, the control is not in the genes." I said: "No, it's to control the environment that the genes live in." I go, "Well, wait, I control the environment." Aha! If you control the environment, then you control the genetics. And that's all of a sudden where the new science comes in. The genetic determinism: Victim. Epigenetics: Master. You control your genes. So basically, what I saw back in 1967 was, "The genes didn't make this decision." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 12:48 Now let's just jump ahead a second here because that's a basic science. And then I'm going to give you this, which you're totally aware of: You are a skin-covered petri dish. You have 50 trillion cells under your skin and you have the original culture medium. What is a culture medium? I didn't say it before, but I'll tell you where it is: A laboratory version of blood. When I grow human cells, I concoct a culture medium based on the constituents of human blood or mouse blood, depending on which cells I'm growing. What's the point? You are a skin-covered culture dish with what? The original culture medium. You have the blood. The blood carries the chemistry, which activates the genes. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 13:34 So the first point: Scientifically, it doesn't make a difference if the cell is in a plastic dish or a skin dish? I said, "No, it's the environment." And I say the environment in your body is the blood for the cells. Then come two questions that blow the game into a new evolution. Question number one: What controls the chemistry of the blood? The answer is the brain. It's the chemist. The big one—here it is, hold on: What chemistry should the brain put into the blood? You know what it is? Whatever picture you hold in your mind, the brain translates the picture into complimentary chemistry that matches the picture. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 14:25 I say, "So why is this important?" The picture in your head becomes material in your body. You manifest what you're thinking. I go: "Wait a minute. Would I manifest this life? Would I manifest my cancer?" I go, "Yes." I go, "You say that so affirmatively." I go: "Quantum physics—the most valid science principle number one [is that] the mind is the creator of our experience." I go: "Well, epigenetics is the biological component of that physics mechanism." Epigenetics is how the mind adjusts the genetics of the body. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 15:05 And I go, "We're facing a healthcare crisis on this planet." I go, "Yes, we are facing a healthcare crisis." And I go, "What's responsible?" We put all the money into science. You know what we're looking for? We're looking for the gene—the gene that controls that problem. Guess what? Less than 1% of all diseases on this planet have any connection with genes. Wait, then that means only less than 1% of what we diagnose as disease is connected with genes. I go, "Yes, that's a fact." Then what is really contributing to the worldwide crisis in healthcare? The answer is: Stress is 90% the cause of disease, minimum. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 15:54 I go: "Okay, come on! How could that do that?" Let's give the biology because it's not New Age again. You're ready? When you're in stress, you're in threat. When you're in threat, you engage a protection response. I say, "What is a protection response?" The protection response is: When you perceive stress, you will release stress hormones, adrenal hormones. I go, "Yes, so what?" Well, what do you think the adrenal hormones do? They prepare the body for fight or flight. I go, "So what?" I say: "First of all, there are three stages to take a body from health, happiness, joy—I'm in the garden, I love my life—to 'Ah! A sabertooth tiger's chasing me!'" I say, "So I have to switch from growth, boom, into protection." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 16:41 How does that happen? Three steps. Number one, stress hormones cause the blood vessels in the gut to constrict. Why? Because most of the blood is in the gut. I say, "Who cares?" I say: "Ah, but the blood is a source of energy. So if you need energy, you need blood." So I say, "So what's the point?" I say: "Most of the blood is in the gut, taking care of the body, cleaning, fixing, repairing, nourishing, and doing all those things. But the moment stress hormones come in, the blood vessels squeeze shut. People feel it in the body." "It's queasy. I feel very queasy when I'm in fear like this." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 17:16 I say: "But some people say butterflies in the stomach. Why?" The fluttering of the blood vessels shutting down—you can feel it. And it's a fluttering. And what's happening? The blood is being pushed to the arms and legs, and that's where I need to run away from that damn tiger. So number one, redistribute the blood. Where do I take it from? [From] growth and maintenance to protection. So I'm not funding growth and maintenance when I'm running from the tiger. I go, "No, you're not." Number two, the immune system is to protect me on the inside. If I'm being chased by a saber-toothed tiger, then what's the value of the immune system? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 17:55 I'll give you a scenario. Come on, doctors, listen to this. The patient's got a bacterial infection. They're going to have a real bad case of diarrhea coming up here and they're being chased by a saber-toothed tiger. How would you split the energy of the body? How much to support the immune system and how much of that energy to run away from the saber-toothed tiger? I'll give you a second. Okay, thank you. The answer is, of course, who cares about the immune system? If the tiger chased you, the bacteria are not your problem anymore, that's for sure. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 18:26 Listen, stress hormones shut down the immune system to conserve energy. And you know damn well that when people are sick, sometimes they don't even have the energy to get out of bed because the immune system uses a hell of a lot of energy. If you're being chased by a tiger: I can't support the immune system because if the tiger gets me, who cares about what's happening in the interior?—it's not mine anymore. It's so important—in fact, therapeutic—that when they transplant an organ from person A into person B and they don't want immunological rejection, they give the recipient stress hormones before the operation. That restricts the function of the immune system so it doesn't immediately reject the foreign graft. Ah, so stress hormones are used therapeutically to shut off the immune system. So I say, "Yes, what do you think stress does automatically?" That's number two. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 19:21 Number three, conscious processing is slow compared to reflex behavior. Conscious [processing] is like, "Oh, let me think." Reflex is boom! Boom! Like that. The point is, if you're running from a saber-toothed tiger, conscious processing is going to delay your nervous system because you'll be thinking. When that tiger is coming, guess what? Remember the role of the stress hormone—to squeeze the blood vessels here? They squeeze the blood vessels in the forebrain. I say, "Why?" Because it stops the blood flow from going to the conscious mind. Where's it going? The hindbrain—reflex behavior. Result: We become less intelligent in the fear process. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 20:11 So I say: "Let's put these all together. I shut down growth, I shut down the immune system, and I shut off conscious awareness." I go: "When was that system formed?" "Oh, a couple hundred thousand years ago." I say: "What was it responding to?" "The saber-toothed tiger?" I go: "So what was important?" "If you escape that tiger for five minutes or ten minutes, there's no more saber-toothed tiger, no more stress." So it was used for five to ten minutes. Shut it down [for] five to ten minutes; we'll come back later. In today's world—you know the whole thing—every day, every minute, we're in stress. The system was never designed for chronic stress. It shuts down the vitality, health, and maintenance of the body. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 21:01 The stresses of this world are responsible for over 90% of healthcare crises. This is recognized by the American Psychological Society: 95% of visits to doctors' offices [are] stress-related. I was a programmer. And I'm not proud now because, when I programmed, people used to believe in genetic determinism. I go: "No, no. I was wrong. Epigenetics, okay?" But we've been programmed to be victims. Dr. Jill 21:32 Yes. First of all, I think doctors are starting, at least in my realm of functional/integrative—we're talking epigenetics; we're using this. And I just want to share a personal example to bring home what you just shared. It's so important. Many of my listeners know that at 25, I had breast cancer, then Crohn's disease, and then autoimmunity. I'm the poster child. What I remember very clearly is that in my 30s, I got mold-related toxicity. My immune system was terribly trashed and overactive and I was under high stress. I remember one day walking along and realizing: "This stress that is in my body is actually killing me." I had the mentality [of] "beating cancer," "fighting cancer," "fighting this," "fighting that"—fighting, fighting, fighting—which is your saber-toothed tiger [description]. I was in fight or flight. Dr. Jill 22:16 The day I realized that was the day I realized I could also reprogram my immune system through my thoughts. That day I started thinking [up] a new paradigm, thinking about these little yellow minions being my immune system. They were helping escort mold toxicity out of my body without this fight because, [in] fight or flight, there's no healing. And now, today, I'm healed from that and from mold-related illness and all of this. But it's really that moment when I realized I could change my thought process, change the function of my immune system, recover from Crohn's, cancer, and toxic mold, and no longer fight. Dr. Jill 22:53 And the most important message, as you brought home, is that when I'm sitting with a patient, if they're in fear, if they are in fight or flight, and if they are feeling unsafe in their body, there is no amount of pills, supplements, IVs, nutrition, or even good advice that I can give them… Unless they go to that place of unsafeness, that place of fear, that place where they're still somatically running from the tiger. We have to change that, and it starts with this. Dr. Jill 23:22 So I love, love, love that you framed this. And I just want to give you credit because you've been doing this work for decades before anyone else was talking about it. And now we're seeing it. And finally, doctors in my field are starting to acknowledge and talk about it. But even in my field, functional medicine is a lot about supplements, diet, and lifestyle. That's all great. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 23:40 Well, that's environment! Dr. Jill 23:41 Right? Right. Actually, that's the thing I was going to mention too. My specialty is environmental toxicity, so I know the petri dish of how it affects our bodies. But I do believe, as you're saying, that this reprogramming of our mind… Do you have any stories or examples, maybe from your book, of a patient, client, or somebody who has read your book who really took this and changed from there? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 24:03 I've got hundreds and hundreds of letters from people who've written. There were two things about this. Let me express it even in my personal life. I understood this from a scientific point of view. Man, it was in my laboratory, my research. It was repeatable; I could do this all the time. It took 23 years before science caught up with that observation. I [inaudible] a lot of other things in between to conform. And the reality is that our own understanding about our frailty—it's an understanding. And then I give an understanding of, "No, we're very powerful." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 24:42 I was so happy to go and find an audience of doctors and people: "Let me explain how to create the most wonderful life. Here's the science!" And then they'd come to my lecture and they'd look at me and go: "Lipton, your life doesn't look that good for a guy who says you know this." Oh my God, I was caught. You know what it was? Talking the talk, not walking the talk. I knew the science. It was in my head. Did I make it part of my life? No! I say: "So what was the point? I don't care how smart you are; if you don't make a part of your life, it's irrelevant." Totally! Then all of a sudden, when I caught myself going, "Oh, do as I say, not as I do," it's like, "I can't do that!" So I had to say: "Stop lecturing. Start living your life with the principles you are telling other people. Live this now." How long did it take me to change my life? Oh, within a month, my life was completely on a whole different spectrum. And it was like, "Now, of course, I start talking about it again," because it was real. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 25:47 Let me just give a simple understanding, a scientific understanding, and that is this: The mind is not one thing. "Oh, the mind." I go: "No, not the mind. There are two minds. And they're interdependent, but they have different functions." The conscious mind, the latest evolution: The prefrontal cortex, right behind your forehead, [is] the seat of the conscious mind. What's that? The conscious mind is your source, your personal identity, your spiritual place. What else is it? It's creative! That's what makes humans different than all the other animals. We can take ideas, boom, build them, and create in the conscious mind. What about the subconscious mind? Oh, the original one? Hard drive, programs, habits, stored behavior. Thinking? Uh-uh. Just behavior—program. Dr. Jill 26:38 The subconscious has no way to differentiate truth, right? It does whatever you tell it to do. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 26:44 No, well, the subconscious doesn't do what you tell it to do; it does what it tells it to do. The subconscious is the autopilot. I say, yes, the mind works, but you have to understand that when I'm in the conscious mind, that is the creative side. That's the side with wishes, desires, and aspirations. What do you want? Conscious mind. Subconscious mind: Program. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 27:09 I say, "So what's the issue with our life when it comes down to it?" The monkey wrench that blows the whole thing out is that when the conscious mind is thinking, it's not paying attention to the outer world. A thought is inside. When you're present, your conscious mind is looking at the world and engaging the world. Right now, in front of it, I'm engaging it. But if I'm thinking, my conscious mind is no longer looking out; it's looking in because a thought is on the inside. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 27:38 So I say, "Wait, what if I'm driving the car and I have a thought?" And I've got to tell you, in fact: Then you're not driving the car. "What do you mean? No accident or nothing." I say: "Driving is a program. You don't have to think about driving." In fact, most of the time, if you've been driving for a long time, you never think about the details of driving. It's an automatic behavioral program. It plays when you're not paying attention. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 28:02 I go: "Aha! When the conscious mind is thinking, it's not paying attention to the outer world. Why? It's inside." So I say: Walking, driving, talking, doing your job—hey, those are habits. You've been doing it all—whatever [it is]—for a long period of time. You don't have to re-learn it. It's automatic. Do you even have to think about walking? No, you didn't even have to say: "Oh, I'm going to walk from here to there. I'm going to get that." I say: "Walking is automatic. You don't think about it—program." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 28:37 So then comes the number and this is scientific: Ninety-five percent of the day is the average person's amount of thinking. Then what does that represent? Biologically, only five percent of the day are you creating your life with the conscious mind's wishes and desires. Ninety-five percent of the day your life is coming from programs that you downloaded mainly before age seven. And I go, "Where did I get the programs?" I go: "Before age seven, your brain is not primarily functioning at the level of consciousness, which in EEG terms is alpha, beta, and gamma. When you're under seven, you're operating primarily at theta, which is just below consciousness." Theta—imagination. Hey, the tea party: Pour nothing into the cup. Drink the nothing. "The best tea I ever had in my life!" That's imagination. That's theta. That's what kids do all the time. They can have imaginary friends. They play with them all the time. It's imagination. Theta is hypnosis. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 29:41 I go, "Why is that important?" How many rules does it take to be a member of a family? How many rules does it take to be a member of a community? Now we're talking thousands. I go, "Why is that important?" I said, "Well, teach an infant a thousand rules." I go: "They can't read a book. They can't sit in a classroom. They can't understand a video." I said: "How are they going to learn?" Nature took care of that. Nature gave the first seven years theta, which is hypnosis. You want to know the behavior? Watch your mother, watch your father, watch your community. Watch their behavior; download it. Now it's your behavior! Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 30:19 So the behavior that's in your subconscious mind didn't even come from you, did it? Nope, it came from other people. And did they answer your wishes and desires—what you'd like? Not necessarily. So then, are there programs in there that give you what your wishes and desires are? Not necessarily, no. In fact, I say, "So what about these programs?" Sixty percent of the things you downloaded as a kid—sixty percent of the subconscious programs [are] disempowering, self-sabotaging, and limiting beliefs. And you operate ninety-five percent of the day from them. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 30:53 Ah, but here's the monkey wrench you didn't catch! Why am I using my subconscious programs? Because my conscious mind's not paying attention; it's thinking. Well, then, do you see the programs when they come out? I go: "Nope! You're the only one who doesn't even see the program!" Why? Everybody else around you is responding to your program. You're not even paying attention [to] what the hell is coming out. Sixty percent of it [is] disempowering yourself. So the issue is this: We are not controlling our lives. Our program controls our lives. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 31:28 I say, "Oh, this is a new science." I go: "Scientifically, this is valid. This is understanding theta activity, downloading programs, conscious, subconscious, blah, blah, blah, blah." But the Jesuits knew about programming for 400 years. They would tell their followers, "Give me a child until it is seven, and I will show you the man." Oh my God, that's 100% right! The programming is before age seven, and 95% of the life is the program. They knew it. They created Catholic schools to help the programming go along. And that idea is never lost because if you can watch an infant today, which I've seen carrying an iPad, interacting with a program on a computer, that's far better programming than Jesuits could ever have thought of. Dr. Jill 32:17 Yes, it's clear, isn't it? That's a really good transition because one of the things I see as the biggest crisis in healthcare is environment, but it's environment that is no longer socially interactive or present. We're numbing ourselves out with machines, with iPads, and with phones. They are designed to create an addictive behavior, so they're tapping into some of those subconscious programs, right? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 32:40 And let me just add this to that: It's not just that behavior, but it's also creating disempowering behaviors. So these programs—as you were just going to say, and I'll let you have it back again—were not designed to help us; they were designed to control us. Dr. Jill 33:05 Yes. And sell and control. Yes, so we are pawns in this new world of technology that is neurodynamically designed to be addictive. If you haven't seen The Social Dilemma, that's a great place to start in your education on social media and the impact. I do want to talk about this. One of the things you just got done saying is that before seven, we're programmed. I totally understand and believe that. But the truth is, we have the power to change that programming. Tell us about that. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 33:36 Most everybody out there has changed that programming. I say, "You've already done it." I say: "What, the movie The Matrix, being a documentary, everybody's programmed?" Yes, of course, that's the foundational belief of the movie and the reality. And in the movie, they offered the red pill. And I say: "What was the red pill? You get out of the program!" Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 33:54 I go, "Almost everybody out here right now listening has done that." I say: "What was the consequence? How did it happen?" I'm going to tell you. Falling in love is a red pill. I go, "What do you mean?" Because when you first fall in love, you stop thinking. Biologically, you stay present; you stay in the conscious, creative mind. You've waited for this person your whole life. They're there. What, you want to start thinking and then ignore them? Are you kidding me? You stay up conscious. You stay mindful. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 34:23 I say, "So what happened?" I say: "Your life up to meeting that person: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You meet them [and] 24 hours later: 'Oh, man, life is beautiful. Life is so wonderful. Hey, the food's really good. That music is even better than I ever thought it was.'" And even the crappy job is not so crappy. I said: "What'd you do?" You made honeymoon. What's honeymoon? Heaven on earth. I said, "What was your heaven on earth?" Whatever you wished and desired. You and a partner coming together when you're both wishing and desiring, you're sharing the same wishes and desires, you manifest a honeymoon. Oops, I dropped something, but okay. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 35:01 Is the honeymoon already there? I go, "The honeymoon's always there." I said, "Then how come you don't have it?" Because when you start thinking, you then go back to subconscious control, the default. And the problem is, why do 50% of marriages end up in divorce? The answer is this: Marriage has started with the relationship of two conscious creative minds sharing together a belief in creating a honeymoon, and it ends when thinking enters into the people and they start playing their regular programs, which are 60% negative. The partner hears these programs. The one saying the thing doesn't hear it; the other one hears it. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 35:43 I love the response. When somebody comes out in a relationship and the loving partner hears some kind of BS come out of their other partner, they look at them and go: "Who are you? Where did you come from?" What? It was never part of the behavior. And then, all of a sudden, it shows up. And the more thinking, the more that negativity shows up. There's a point where a partner will say: "That's enough. That's not why I signed up here. I signed up because we had a great honeymoon." After you started thinking, this thing went right down the tube. The point is, that's what reality is about. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 36:18 So the idea then becomes simple, which is the obvious thing: "What if I created all programs that represented my wishes and desires—if I had those programs?" I said: "Oh, you know what? Whether you're consciously creating those wishes and desires or your conscious mind is off in left field, your subconscious will be manifesting the wishes and desires. And guess what? A honeymoon is not a short period. A honeymoon is every day of your life for as long as you live." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 36:46 Does it work? Personally, I had some very bad programming when I was young because my mother and father had a dysfunctional relationship. I downloaded my father's dysfunctional behavior. I played it when I couldn't see it. The result is that I couldn't get relationships off the ground. Then I understood the nature of the programming. Then I understand the nature of reprogramming. Around 50, I met my partner, Margaret. We just celebrated 28 years! And I'm not selling just a relationship; I'm talking honeymoon for 28 years. To wake up every day in my life and go: "Oh my God, I'm still here. Oh my God, I have another day to smell the roses, to have a piece of cake, to enjoy the love, watch the environment, and love my life." I celebrate life. Jill celebrates life. What's the result? Where's the illness? What illness? Dr. Jill 37:45 Yes! I love that. There are some points that I think are so crucial that you just made, number one, being present with our partners, watching them in real time and observing them. So often we create a program of them, a template, and then we don't expect them to change. Or, we expect them to behave the same. And when we're in real time, present with another person—whether it's a friend, family member, business associate, or lover—we can respond in real time. And that's part of that co-creation that you're talking about. It's crucial. Dr. Jill 38:15 The other thing is that with illness, I find one thing that was—I'm sure this is related to the program, [and] I'd love your comments—I never identified with the cancer. I never became the cancer. I never made that part of who I was. Even now, I'm like, "Oh yes, 20 years ago, I had cancer." And of course, it's real, but it's almost foreign because it was never part of me. And I really believe that's a huge part of why I overcame a very, very aggressive cancer at the age of 25—because it never was my identity. Do you want to talk about that a little bit? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 38:44 Yes, let's just talk about this. The first thing is that I'm going to give a fact of science [to] which [a person might say], "He really said that?" And I'm going to say, yes, I'm going to say this. There's not one gene that causes cancer. There's not a gene [where], "You have this gene, you get cancer." The one scary one for women, of course, [is] the breast cancer gene. I go, "So what?" I go: "Women who carry the breast cancer gene don't necessarily have to have cancer. As a matter of fact, nearly half of them don't get cancer. But they have the gene." So then I say, "Then where did the cancer come from?"—because those who have the cancer with the gene and those who are healthy with the gene have the same gene. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 39:20 What's the difference? The answer is this: Cancer is correlated with a gene, not caused by a gene. Cancer is caused by disharmony in the system. Disharmony is the source of disease. Harmony is the source of health. Disharmony means your programming wasn't really good, and you're responding to things in a negative way that is going to cause a breakdown of the system. That's where the stress comes into it. So the concept is this: The image—even if once you tell a woman, "Yes, you have the breast cancer gene," what the hell image do you think is going to be in her head? The answer is: Cancer. I go: "Yes, but isn't the function of the mind to take the image of the head and turn it into reality?" I go, "Absolutely! What's the consequence?" Ninety percent of cancer has no genetic linkage at all. Dr. Jill 40:14 Yes. That was the biggest question I got as a 25-year-old. Every single person, to a T: "Oh, did you have genes?" No, I didn't have genes. I had a dysfunctional system when I was in my 20s. That goes into a whole other lecture that I could give, but I was not living consciously. And there were some things, stress-wise, that were contributing. And it was the environmental toxic load. So all of these things are the petri dish. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 40:38 And more than that, there must have been the two programs. Eighty to ninety percent of all people will not test positive for two beliefs. Number one, and I think the most important, is the belief, "I love myself." Eighty percent of people will not test positive for that belief. Number two, and this is the one where the healthcare crisis comes from: "I am safe." When you have a picture of fear, then the chemistry of fear is to manifest the fear. When they say "This is it" and [show you] a picture of the tumor and everything, then you make the chemistry of the tumor. Then the idea is that we have to own quantum physics. Consciousness is the source of our life experiences. We have to understand the nature of epigenetics. Consciousness is the source of what controls our genes. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 41:07 The third thing that I think is part of the Renaissance that we really must emphasize at some point is Newtonian physics, which separates physical from non-physical, matter versus energy. It's an illusion. It's not real. But it programs us in a very bad way because the program says: "Whatever is made out of matter can only be affected by matter. Whatever is made out of energy can only be affected by energy." And I say, "So what's the consequence?" I say: "The body is matter. And what do you think the whole foundation of the pharmaceutical company is? The body is matter and we make the matter to fix the matter." Dr. Jill 42:16 Yes. What's the matter with that? [laughs] Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 42:18 Three hundred thousand people die in the US every year from prescription drugs, that's what's the matter with it, when less than 50,000—I think 30,000—people die from illegal drugs. We have a war on illegal drugs, and 300,000 people dying from pharmaceutical drugs is called the cost of doing medicine. I go: "That's damn expensive! We don't need that." Simple law of science: If a drug works, it only works because you already had a receptor for that drug on you. Do you think nature put receptors on cells, waiting for the pharmaceutical company to make a drug? No, come on, man! If you have a receptor for a drug, it's because you have a receptor for a drug that you make. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 43:01 I go, "I can make any drug." Of course, because any drug works because you have a receptor to connect it. If you have a receptor, then you obviously have a signal that will bind to that receptor. Then you say, "Well, it's not working." And that's where everything gets screwed up because that system isn't working and then you go right away: "Oh, the body is defective. The genes aren't working right. There's an interference with the physical." I go, "Yes, there was an interference because it didn't start down here; it started up here." And once you start to understand this, yes, treat the body if there's an immediate need to treat the body, but the process of treating the patient is treating this part. Knowledge is power. They do not have the knowledge of who they are. They're programmed [to think]: "I'm a victim of my genes and I have no power." I go, "Well, there's your problem." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 43:54 And the issue about it is that you guys are in the front of the evolution that says: Okay, I can treat the patient, but I've really got to treat the consciousness of the patient. Why? Because, as quantum physics says, consciousness is the source of this creativity, and as epigenetics says, consciousness is the source of this expression. You cannot leave that out. Dr. Jill 44:18 You just talked about two beliefs that I think are critical and it's a great place to kind of wrap up. The first one is: Do we love ourselves? Do we really, really, truly love and accept ourselves? I have written a book and done a movie on that message. The heart of healing is: How do we show self-compassion and love? Because that is the only way that our cells will respond in health. Dr. Jill 44:41 The second thing was so crucial too, and that is the fear and the unsafety. This is where a physician in the office can make all the difference, because if they add to that fear message, guess what? That's just adding to that patient's unhealth. So one thing we are obligated to do as physicians is create a safe environment and teach that patient how to start to feel safe in their body. With those two beliefs, maybe in the last couple of minutes here, could you maybe give us some practical advice for somebody who's like: "How do I start doing that, Bruce? How do I feel safe in my body? And how do I love myself?" Because that, I couldn't agree more with you, is really the core message here. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 45:19 I'll tell you, let's get right to the root of why people do not love themselves. The answer is: Because parents act like coaches on a sports team. I go, "What does that mean?" A player isn't doing well. What does the coach say? "Oh, do better." No! The coach says: "That's not good enough. Who do you think you are? You don't deserve to be on this team." Well, a player is older than seven. They're in consciousness. They understand that the coach is saying, "You better do better!" Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 45:47 Now let's say the parent is the coach and the kid is under seven. There's no consciousness operating. What's operating? Hypnosis, programming. So when the father says, "That's not good enough, you don't deserve this, you're not lovable, you don't belong," blah, blah, blah—acting like the coach who says, "This is going to make them do better"—if the kid is under seven, you just programmed them to self-sabotage because the subconscious is going to create 95% of their life. And if I get a program "I do not deserve," when I'm thinking 95% of the day, what the hell program is running? "I do not deserve." So I could say something so stupid in my corporate structure or something, and somebody says, "That guy doesn't deserve to be here." And then, all of a sudden, I'm kicked out of the structure. Why? Because I myself made behavior to conform to "not good enough" and to not love myself. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 46:41 This is why that one's so important—because if you can't love yourself, I'm going to be honest, you can't accept love from somebody else. I go, "Why?" Because they say they love you, but in your mind, you're going: "Well, they don't know me, man. I know I'm not lovable." And you'll push them away. And then you'll find yourself with nobody around. And guess what you'll say? "You see?! I'm not lovable!" [inaudible] You just did that. And when it comes to "Do I have any power?" the answer is: No, it has been systematically deprived of them. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 46:59 I've got a minute; I've got to say this because this is really cool. There's a power struggle in the world. It's always been this way. There are three levels of power. Number one, caveman. Who's the biggest badass with the biggest club? Whatever they say, do it. They've got the power. Evolution came along. There are people then who control the resources that you need. And all of a sudden they say, "If you want those resources, you've got to give me something for this." And you know what? The ones who had the resources paid the caveman to hit you over the head if you didn't pay for the resources. Dr. Jill 47:53 A personal hitman. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 47:55 That's the king who owns the resources with an army of cavemen. Then I say, "But the last of the power struggles came down to 'knowledge is power.'" And it was recognized that, yes, that is the supreme power of everything. Knowledge is power. The first thing the church of Rome did was acknowledge: "We are the source of infallible knowledge. We are the source of truth. We say it; it's true." Well, you say, "I don't care." The point about it was that people gave up their power to the belief. And I say it here very quickly: There's a code behind the power brokers. I call it the powermongers' credo. I say, "What is it?" Are you ready? Give them the fear for free and then sell them the antidote. Dr. Jill (pre-recording) 48:46 Hey, everybody. I just stopped by to let you know that my new book, Unexpected: Finding Resilience through Functional Medicine, Science, and Faith, is now available for order wherever you purchase books. In this book, I share my own journey of overcoming a life-threatening illness and the tools, tips, tricks, hope, and resilience I found along the way. This book includes practical advice for things like cancer and Crohn's disease and other autoimmune conditions, infections like Lyme or Epstein-Barr, and mold- and biotoxin-related illnesses. What I really hope is that as you read this book, you find transformational wisdom for health and healing. If you want to get your own copy, stop by ReadUnexpected.com. There, you can also collect your free bonuses. So grab your copy today and begin your own transformational journey through functional medicine and finding resilience. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 50:59 "What do you want me to do? Put a mask on? Sure. I'll mask on. I can't visit my mom, who's dying in a nursing home?" "No, you have to give that up because you can't do that." "Really?" Dr. Jill 51:09 Yes. If you're controlled, then fear created the biology of illness. It really, really is a great analogy. Bruce, this has been so fun to dive deep. I love talking to you. I love your enthusiasm. I love your wisdom. And I love most of all that you were so far ahead of the curve because people are kind of coming along to this belief. But the truth is, you were one of the very first ones writing and talking about this. And I'm just grateful that way back in the day, in the lab, you saw this and started writing about it. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 51:44 I can't be any happier than I am for myself! I have a different life! I have a different life than before that discovery. Dr. Jill 51:53 Yes. And it transforms us all, too. I have many stories, the same thing, of me continuing to transform because of this knowledge. Thank you for the work that you do. 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