In this episode, host Jill welcomes Dr. Paul Savage to discuss the pressing issue of environmental toxic load and its impact on health. They delve into innovative solutions that go beyond traditional detox protocols, focusing on MD Lifespan's approach to managing and reducing toxic exposure.

IMPORTANT LINKS

• PlasmaXchange: https://mdlifespan.com/drjill-plasma
• Home: https://mdlifespan.com/drjill
• Consult: https://mdlifespan.com/drjill-consult
• Get Clean: https://mdlifespan.com/drjill-getclean
• Presentations: https://mdlifespan.com/drjill-presentations

Key Topics You'll Discover

① Dr. Savage's Journey:
👉 Dr. Savage shares his transition from an ER doctor to a pioneer in functional medicine after personal health challenges led him to explore alternative approaches.

② The Problem of Toxic Load:
👉 The conversation highlights the overwhelming presence of toxins in the environment, which are linked to chronic inflammation and diseases such as cancer and heart disease.

③ MD Lifespan's Innovative Protocols:
👉 Dr. Savage explains the development of MD Lifespan, which offers protocols aimed at reducing toxic load, improving immunity, and enhancing longevity.
👉 The protocols include plasma exchange and avoidance strategies, which have shown significant results in reducing inflammation and reversing disease markers.

④ Impact on Chronic Diseases:
👉 The episode discusses how reducing toxic load can lead to improvements in conditions like Alzheimer's, heart disease, and cancer.

⑤ Practical Advice and Testing:
👉 Listeners are encouraged to get their toxin levels tested and consider MD Lifespan's protocols for a comprehensive approach to detoxification.

⑥ Future Outlook:
👉 Dr. Savage emphasizes the growing importance of addressing environmental toxins and the need for proactive measures to protect health.

What You’ll Take Away

📌 Environmental toxins are a significant health threat, contributing to chronic diseases.
📌 Innovative detox protocols, like those offered by MD Lifespan, can effectively reduce toxic load and improve health outcomes.
📌 Testing for toxins and adopting avoidance strategies are crucial steps in managing exposure.

Dr. Paul Savage

Dr. Paul Savage, founder and Chief Medical Officer of MDLifespan, is transforming personalized medicine with innovative solutions like the PlasmaXchange™ protocols, which target toxins and chronic inflammation to improve healthspan and vitality.

A former ER physician, Dr. Savage’s personal health struggles inspired him to explore integrative treatments and lifestyle changes, sparking a career-long commitment to personalized medicine.

At MDLifespan, Dr. Savage leads the development of data-driven protocols that combine therapeutic plasma exchange with advanced diagnostics and patient education. His work focuses on making groundbreaking therapies accessible and impactful for diverse communities.

From founding BodyLogicMD, a national hormone therapy network, to championing toxin reduction through MDLifespan, Dr. Savage’s vision is reshaping how society approaches health, aging, and vitality.

🌍 https://mdlifespan.com/drjill

Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD

Dr. Jill Carnahan is Your Functional Medicine Expert® dually board certified in Family Medicine for ten years and in Integrative Holistic Medicine since 2015. She is the Medical Director of Flatiron Functional Medicine, a widely sought-after practice with a broad range of clinical services including functional medical protocols, nutritional consultations, chiropractic therapy, naturopathic medicine, acupuncture, and massage therapy.

As a survivor of breast cancer, Crohn’s disease, and toxic mold illness she brings a unique perspective to treating patients in the midst of complex and chronic illness. Her clinic specializes in searching for the underlying triggers that contribute to illness through cutting-edge lab testing and tailoring the intervention to specific needs. 

A popular inspirational speaker and prolific writer, she shares her knowledge of hope, health, and healing live on stage and through newsletters, articles, books, and social media posts! People relate to Dr. Jill’s science-backed opinions delivered with authenticity, love and humor. She is known for inspiring her audience to thrive even in the midst of difficulties.

Featured in Shape Magazine, Parade, Forbes, MindBodyGreen, First for Women, Townsend Newsletter, and The Huffington Post as well as seen on NBC News and Health segments with Joan Lunden, Dr. Jill is a media must-have. Her YouTube channel and podcast features live interviews with the healthcare world’s most respected names. 

The Podcast

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Overview

• Dr. Paul Savage transitioned from a 10-year ER physician career to functional medicine due to personal health issues, founding MD Lifespan to address growing health concerns related to environmental toxins.
• The U.S. is ranked as the second most toxic country, with the WHO citing toxins as the leading cause of death, affecting 24% of the population globally.
• Approximately 300,000 new chemicals are introduced annually, with average Americans testing positive for 13 out of 100 measured toxins, suggesting a larger public health crisis.
• Key toxins include plastics increasing heart attack risk by 450%, mold toxins linked to immunosuppression, pesticides affecting food supply, and persistent forever chemicals (PFAS).
• MD Lifespan’s patented Therapeutic Plasma Exchange (TPE) protocol achieves 300% greater toxin removal compared to standard methods, promoting rapid plasma regeneration.
• Clinical protocols have shown significant benefits, with brain function improvement of 17-40% and heart plaque reduction of up to 17%.
• The patient treatment process is safe, using albumin solution to mitigate side effects, resulting in only three minor events across 300 procedures.
• Comprehensive testing monitors 109 toxins and immune markers, showing patients maintaining toxin-free status after three years of avoidance.

Notes

🎙️ Introduction and Background (00:00 – 04:52)

• Dr. Jill hosts Resiliency Radio podcast focusing on integrative and functional medicine, introducing Dr. Paul Savage as founder of MD Lifespan.
• Dr. Savage transitioned from 10-year ER physician career to functional medicine in the 1990s after experiencing illness that worsened with traditional treatment.
• Built multiple companies over 30 years, observing consistent correlation between increasing environmental toxins and rising inflammation levels through software systems.

🌍 The Global Toxin Crisis (06:08 – 12:19)

• United States ranks as second most toxic country globally with World Health Organization listing toxins as #1 cause of death at 24% of global population.
• 300,000 new chemicals continuously introduced into environment without proper testing, contaminating air, water, and food sources.
• Average healthy American tests positive for 13 out of 100 measured toxins in high critical range, extrapolating to approximately 39,000 highly critical toxins when accounting for all 300,000 existing chemicals

⚠️ Top Four Toxic Threats (11:08 – 12:19)

• Plastics: Brain contains credit card worth of plastic; heart plaques with plastics increase heart attack risk by 450% over three years, affecting 57% of men.
• Mold toxins: Highly cytotoxic and immunosuppressive, with mycotoxins used to create chemotherapy drugs.
• Pesticides: Widespread environmental contamination affecting food supply.
• Forever chemicals (PFAS): Persistent environmental contaminants that don't break down naturally.

💉 MD Lifespan's Patented Plasma Exchange Protocol (08:46 – 14:57)

• Therapeutic Plasma Exchange (TPE) removes 63% of plasma per session, replacing with albumin solution while body regenerates fresh, non-toxic plasma within 24 hours.
• Patented protocol achieves 300% greater toxin removal compared to standard plasma exchange through orchestrated therapy including IV nutrients, oral supplements, and avoidance protocols.
• Treatment schedule: 5 sessions over 4-5 months, spaced monthly initially, can be extended to 3-6 month intervals for financial flexibility.

📈 Clinical Protocols and Results (18:31 – 20:56)

• Eight specialized protocols including detox, preconception, longevity, brain, heart, immunity, and developing mold-specific protocol.
• Brain protocol results: 17-40% improvement in memory function, patients returning to pre-symptom cognitive levels.
• Heart protocol outcomes: Up to 17% plaque reversal through reduced inflammation and oxidation.
• Cancer protocol: Prostate cancer patient experienced 25% prostate shrinkage with disappearing MRI markers.

🛡️ Patient Process and Safety (16:05 – 34:45)

• Four-hour treatment sessions with two hours on machine, IV access in both arms, similar to plasma donation process.
• Albumin replacement fluid used instead of fresh frozen plasma, eliminating 26% side effect rate and anaphylaxis risk associated with plasma.
• Three minor events in 300 procedures (lightheadedness and low blood sugar) compared to significant transfusion reactions with plasma-based exchanges.

🔬 Comprehensive Testing and Monitoring (24:27 – 34:45)

• 109 different toxin tests plus comprehensive immune system analysis including lymphocyte counts, CD markers, inflammatory markers, and oxidative stress indicators.
• Baseline and follow-up testing tracks toxin levels, inflammation markers, immune function, and treatment progress.
• Three-year follow-up data shows patients maintaining toxin-free status when following avoidance protocols.

💰 Pricing and Accessibility (31:05 – 37:05)

• Treatment costs range from 20,000 (basic detox) to 50,000 (brain/immunity protocols) including all labs, medications, supplements, doctor visits, and 5 TPE sessions.
• Individual TPE sessions cost 6,000 compared to industry range of 4,500-$10,000.
• In-house financing available with 50% upfront payment and 90-day payment plan for remainder.
• Free initial consultations and toxin test result interpretation provided.

🔗 Future Integration and Referral Process (33:26 – 37:05)

• 27 medical advisors from top specialties including cardiology, neurology, and toxicology supporting the program.
• Public benefit corporation structure designed to maximize patient access rather than profit.
• Referral process: Patients or referring doctors schedule free consultation calls, with option for three-way calls including referring physician

Transcript

00:00
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Hey everybody. Welcome to Resiliency Radio, your go to podcast for the most cutting edge insights integrative and functional medicine. I'm your host, Dr. Jill and with each episode we dive into the heart of healing and personal transformation. Join us as I interview medical experts, renowned thought leaders, biohackers and people of all types and backgrounds, hopefully bringing you news to use and innovative ways to optimize your own health and performance. Today I am so excited to bring back Dr. Paul Savage. I'll introduce him in a minute. He is the founder of MD Lifespan. You're going to hear all about why toxic load is increasing in evidence and a solution that you may not yet know about to decrease your toxic load no matter who you are or what condition you're suffering from. So stay tuned for that before we do. 

00:50
Dr. Jill Carnahan
As always, we have great quality products that have been curated by me@drjillhealth.com I hope you'll pop in and visit. Take a look if you need something for mast cell activation, Epstein Barr or just immune support. We've got all kinds of protocols and bundles and great products and services. You'll also find my Dr. Jill Beauty line which is clean, effective and anti aging. It's the stuff I use myself. And one product I wanted to be sure and mention today is our retinol. It's called Advanced Bakuchiol retinol 5x with. I'm sorry, advanced retinol 5x with Bakuchiol. This is a top seller. We run out frequently. It is so good because it's one of those things that creates the retinol anti aging power but with less likelihood of creating peeling and irritation. 

01:41
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Years ago when I used the plain old retinols I would always get peeling and in my state of Colorado it was so dry. So I am loving this advanced retinol 5x with bakuchiol. It is a powerhouse for anti aging. Probably one of my most powerful anti aging products. If you're over 40, which I am, I use this and it won't create the drying that you're used to with retinol. So check it out@doctor Jill health.com okay, let me introduce our guest, Dr. Paul Savage. He is a founder and Chief Medical Officer of MD Lifespan and a leader in personalized medicine and toxin reduction. Through breakthrough innovations like the Plasma Exchange patented protocol, he empowers patients to take control of their health and promote longevity. 

02:22
Dr. Jill Carnahan
He's a former ER physician who transformed his own health and dedicated to revolutionizing healthcare by addressing the global toxin crisis with cutting edge science. And patient centered care about MD Lifespan, which we're going to be talking about today. MD Lifespan is a specialized medical practice focusing on removing toxins and revolutionizing health optimization. With the Plasma Exchange I mentioned, it is a patent pending therapeutic plasma exchange protocol. You'll hear all about that today. And it's designed to address harmful environmental toxins, including microplastics, pesticides, PFAOs and mold. My favorite topic. So join me as I interview Dr. Paul Savage. Dr. Savage, I love our conversations over the years and today I'm so excited to have you on the podcast again because as I deal with environmental toxic load, which is my favorite topic to talk about, we talk both about this. 

03:16
Dr. Jill Carnahan
There is and increasing evidence that this is overwhelming our systems. And one of the things I want to talk about today is MD Lifespan. What you've created, what you're doing and how this could be a solution that really none of our DTEX protocols in the past have ever come close to. So that's our frame today. So stay tuned guys. You're going to learn. 

03:32
Dr. Paul Savage
It's a game changer. It's a game changer. Everybody stay tuned. 

03:36
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Yeah, yeah, for sure. But let's go back to the basics. We were talking right before we started a little bit about this idea and you've been ER originally and then you've created multiple companies. But do you want to take us on the journey of like kind of how this idea rebirthed itself and then really the problem that we're dealing with toxic load in our environment? 

03:55
Dr. Paul Savage
Well, you know, thanks Jill, but you know, I wasn't ER doc for 10 years and then I got sick and I went to my doctor and he was putting me on more medicine and I got sicker. And that's when I started realizing I had to do something different. This is very common story with everybody, but I did this in the 90s and then I found this group of people, doctors that were doing functional medicine, personalized medicine, whatever you want to call it, which is just basically not throwing away western medicine using that, but adding into it other things, supplements, nutrients, but also looking at it in a different way, looking at what's causing all these problems. Right. 

04:28
Dr. Paul Savage
That's really what we're doing here, is we're trying to figure out what's causing the problem and then get that cost out where traditional medicine just treats symptoms with a pill. We're clear on that. Yeah. Over the course of my 30 years, and you're right, I built many different companies and service people in many different ways. But, but I've learned about the hormones and I've learned about the gut in the microbiome and I've learned about the stem cells, I've learned about the neuro. And they have learned every system one by one in a different view. And now over those 30 years, the one thing that remained constant was we kept seeing increasing amount of toxins in the environment. With that coming increasing inflammation. 

05:06
Dr. Paul Savage
I can say that because I built the software system that measured all this for 30 years and we would literally watch toxins go up, inflammation go up, toxins go up. And so it was kind of whenever you, if you go to ChatGPT and ask what is the cause of chronic inflammation? It will say, although the exact cause of chronic inflammation is not known, it has to do with lifestyle, nutrition and environmental factors. Yes, news flash, spoiler alert, wrong. It's toxins. I mean that's an environmental factor, but it's all toxins. And that's what we've been seeing over the years. I got to the point where I actually retired and I was reading a paper about using plasma exchange that reversed the biomarkers of aging. And one of those biomarkers, the major biomarkers of aging, is inflammation and immune system becoming weaker. 

05:53
Dr. Paul Savage
And their conclusion was that plasma chains, we'll get into that was the purpose. What they did was they cleared out the excess of biology of metabolism. And I knew that the only way they could have had those kind of changes is that they actually had removed the toxins. And that's exactly what plasma change does. So voila. From a person that was been using all sorts of detox methods for the last 30 years, including saunas and chelators and binders and nutrition and every different ways you can do. And the problem is, as you know, it's getting harder and harder to treat people because people are getting more and more toxic. So the elephant in room is very simply this. The United States is the second most toxic country in the world and we're all sick and we're all toxic. 

06:38
Dr. Paul Savage
Matter of fact, here's a news flash for people. Did you know the World Health Organization lists toxins as the number one cause of death above heart disease? Wow, 24% of the world population dies from toxins now. And toxins are the cause of inflammation, which is the cause of heart disease, cancer and neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's. So toxins, the monster in the brain. 

07:03
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Yeah. And we're seeing increasing evidence of the heart stuff, the autoimmunity, the neurodegenerative Diseases. And many people, even physicians are like, what is going on? You and I know the evidence is so clear. I think it's about 300,000 new chemicals are contin, you know, being introduced into the environment without proper testing. And then. Right. Air and water and food and all this is being contaminated so we no longer can avoid it. Right. That would be the idea. 

07:30
Dr. Paul Savage
Years so years ago you have mercury, I can tell you which fish to avoid. If you had lead, I would tell you what water sources that you had to be careful of. Nowadays every toxins in everything. And it's so ambiguous and there's so many everywhere that everybody's like, well, how do you stay safe? And the answer is, believe it or not, it made it simpler because you actually have to filter everything. 

07:52
Dr. Jill Carnahan
And it actually, that's the beauty of this. It's non selective in a way that's so beautiful because it takes all of the toxins out. And that's why you've developed protocols which we'll talk about for brain and for heart and for preconception and for mold, which is my. 

08:08
Dr. Paul Savage
Unique animal, always has been. 

08:10
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Right, right. So it's super exciting. Let's go back just briefly because this is not a new thing. This is not a edge fringe thing. It's been used in conventional medicine for decades. What did it used to be used for and why is that mechanism of how this works effective for toxins? 

08:27
Dr. Paul Savage
So plasma change, or as it's called, therapeutic plasma change, is the idea that you take blood out, you separate it into the liquid part, which we call plasma, and the solid part we call cells, and you throw away the plasma and then you put it with another solution and reintroduce it back in the body. It's an oil change. You're giving your body an oil change, but every time you do a plasma change, you're replacing a significant amount of your plasma. About 63% of your plasma you're replacing with the replacement fluid. And within a day your body makes brand new baby fresh, non toxic, non inflamed, non oxidized, non cancer plasma. It's just brand new plasma. So you make this plasma yourself. And then we just wait a while, about four weeks and we do it again. 

09:13
Dr. Paul Savage
So for those guys and the gals from my era, it's kind of like when we took the car and put it up on this on the stilts and you drain the oil out, put new oil in the top, run it around the block for about three weeks, come back and you kept draining the oil, draining the oil to finally start running clear. That's exactly what we're doing. The plasma chain's been around for 50 years. It was first started out to be used against some immuno. You know, a lot of the immuno, what we call immunopathies, the walsterens and where the body made too many antibodies against stuff. But pretty quickly as it became more and more refined, we started realizing we could use it for a whole lot of stuff. 

09:52
Dr. Paul Savage
Matter of fact, there's a phrase in medicine, it's called when in doubt, farese it out. In other words, just replace. If you don't know what it is, take it out and replace it with else. So it's been used in over 167 disease states, but it's not primary for anything. That's why people don't know it very well. It's a third line therapy or fourth line therapy mostly in the area of things that have to do with your antibodies, but it also has to do with things like long Covid things that have to do with anything that demyelinates the neurons. So like my see in a gravis Guillain Barre disease, that's what it's been used for a great period of time. We've also known for a very long time that plasma exchange removes acute toxicities. 

10:33
Dr. Paul Savage
So if we had somebody overdose on heroin is what we used to in the er, we used to use it to get the heroin out or digitalis when we used to have that, we can use it today. That anything that's plasma bound and everything is plasma bound, it can be removed when you move the plasma, but nobody ever put together. And part of it is because traditional medicine doesn't understand the toxic world that everybody is l living in. And everybody is right now. We can use that to remove the toxins out of people. Not just some of the toxins deal every tox, whether it's mold, heavy metal, pesticides, herbicides, plastics. Every day we read in the news about your brain contains a credit card worth of plastics. Your heart plaques have plastics in them. 

11:15
Dr. Paul Savage
And if you have plastics in your heart, in the arteries, the plaques in the arteries of the heart, you have a 450% higher risk of having a heart attack in the next three years. And 57% of guys have it. Yeah, this is a big deal. 

11:30
Dr. Jill Carnahan
This is what really caught my attention because I know I do moltex ssd all the time. And there's still limitations. It takes a long time. And you talked about we've talked together about you especially MD lifespan, the top four big players. And I think some of the reason that these are. And you can talk about them in one second here, but I think the reason that's such a big deal is plastics, for example, we don't know a binder that will bind plastics. We don't have a protocol. So talk about the top four things that we're seeing this be a super especially effective for now. 

11:59
Dr. Paul Savage
First off, let's paint the field. There are hundreds of thousands of toxins out there, but we can put them in real broad categories. There's about 12 different categories we can put them in. And. But not every toxin is built the same. I mean, waxes are a toxin and we have. We're putting wax on all our food and we have those waxes in us and they act as estrogens and that's a problem. But we have other toxins with us that are much more severe because they break the DNA and they kill the cell. Those are the ones we call cytotoxic and carcinogenic. And the top four players are plastics, mold, pesticides and forever chemicals, pfas. And we know how deadly do we have literature. We don't need any more evidence. We know any one single one of those is highly lethal. 

12:46
Dr. Paul Savage
Believe it or not, on average, the healthy American on our studies that we're looking at is out of 100 different toxins that we're testing. And remember, there's 300,000 tested toxins we could test for. But if 100 toxins were testing on people, the average healthy person has 13 of those in the high critical range. And we're like, why are we getting sicker? It's because we. 

13:07
Dr. Jill Carnahan
And you're talking. I want to emphasize that because that's the average healthy person compared to. I'm seeing the chronically ill patient who. 

13:12
Dr. Paul Savage
Probably they're in the 40s, if you want to think about this. 300,000 toxins in the universe in the United states, we're measuring 100 and you have 13. Now you have to take that 13 and you have to multiply it by 3,000. So now you have 39,000 highly critical toxins. So that 13 isn't just 13. That's just a fraction of the 30,000. So if you want to look at the fraction and say if I compare that to all 300,000, looking at over 30,000 highly critical toxins in each of us, that's healthy. And we're wondering, why are we getting sick? 

13:50
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Right? Why is our immune system not functioning. So to me, this is just a really. That's why I'm so excited to partner with you guys and have. Have this available in my office. But let's talk a little bit about what does this look like for the patient? So say someone is listening. Like, I want to know more, Paul. What do they do? And then what would that process look like if they were to be accepted into your protocol? 

14:12
Dr. Paul Savage
So everybody needs to learn about toxins. And the first thing we always say is, go get your toxins tested. Remember back in the day, before we had the ability to check your blood pressure, we didn't know how dangerous the blood pressure was or diabetes. We didn't have a way of measuring glucose until we did. Then we figured out how dangerous it was. Toxins are the same thing. We have the method of testing. You need to go get tested so that it doesn't matter if you feel good. 

14:36
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Right? 

14:37
Dr. Paul Savage
We have a group of women who are 60, they're lean, and they use beauty products, and they have 40s and 50s out of 100 of toxins because of all the products they use. And you will get into sickness from this. Now, outside of that, there's people out there with chronic inflammation, they don't know why, or there's people out there who are chronically ill already. Like, we know them, right, the mold patients. But I tell people all the time, it's not just the mold. You also have the plastics, the pesticides, the pfas, and all the other toxins, too. So everybody may be leaning one way or the other, but you have to deal with all of them. If you don't deal with all of them at the same time, you won't get better right now. So what's that looks like for an individual patient? 

15:19
Dr. Paul Savage
If you do the testing and you don't have a lot and you don't have inflammation, you probably can do avoidance and you're going to be fine. But if you have a lot or you have inflammation or you already have a disease, you have to go to plasma exchange because there isn't anything that gets all these toxins out. What the process works is a patient visits with one of our doctors and we explain the whole process. But basically, the patient comes into our office, we check a blood test, we check a urine test, weigh them, and then we start an IV in one arm, and we start an IV in the other arm, and it's just like a plasma donation. 

15:54
Dr. Paul Savage
Your blood comes out, it gets separated, we throw the plasma away, we give you back a replacement fluid it goes back into your body and you're there for about four hours, of which about two hours is on the machine. In exchange, the vast majority of people get up, say hello, goodbye, and then they go home and then they come back every month and they do it for about a total of five different times. Now, our process has been patented because around all this we wrap the whole program of avoidance, or we're teaching you how to keep them out because you're going to spend money to get them out and it's not an inexpensive process. And we're going to teach you how to get them out. 

16:27
Dr. Paul Savage
Now we're three years down the road and every patient that followed our avoidance program has not gotten any of their toxins back. 

16:33
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Wow. 

16:34
Dr. Paul Savage
And that's a surprise. 

16:37
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Let's stop there just for a second because this is so important. When you shared some of the data for conventional plasma exchange versus your patented protocol, there's a pretty big difference. Do you want to just give a few statistics on why that's actually different with what you've developed? 

16:51
Dr. Paul Savage
So there's some people out there that are doing plasma change to remove toxins, but they're just doing plasma change versus our program, which has avoidance protocol around it. It also has IV nutrients, oral nutrients, selective medications, and what we call orchestrated therapy. Now all of these things are safe and natural. So, you know, so everybody is like, if we don't involve any brand name medication or prescription drugs or anything like that, it's just things have been around. But the way we put that together has given us a 300% increase over just TP alone. Wow. That means if you, that TP removed one particle, we'll remove three. And when you're paying money, and this is, we'll talk about the pricing. It's not an inexpensive process. You want to get the best bang for your buck, for the money. 

17:37
Dr. Paul Savage
We're the only group that has this because we patented this product. We patented all of our processes because they're that novel. 

17:43
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Yeah, no, and I've, I looked at some of it and it's so impressive because with a functional mind of what you do to actually enhance outcomes, you're thinking of all the right things. It's really powerful. Now what I love is on your website you've already developed, I don't know, eight different protocols, sections you want to go through, someone listening like brain and heart, and go through the different kinds of patients that might benefit from this. 

18:06
Dr. Paul Savage
So you got to understand, we're all toxic. Yeah, we gotta start there first and then toxins are the cause of inflammation, of chronic inflammation. And it's only toxins that are the cause of chronic inflammation. And chronic inflammation causes everything bad, like cancer and Alzheimer's and heart disease. Now some of our protocols are just about getting the toxins out because we have people that want to have a toxin free environment and they want to be toxic free. They don't have any symptoms, they don't have any inflammation, but they, but rightfully so, they want to get clear. So that's called our MDL toxin protocol. And we just remove the toxins. We have moms that want to get their body clear before they get pregnant. Because we know every baby is born with 270 neurotoxins and the ability cord and plastics in there for a stool. 

18:52
Dr. Paul Savage
And it's our belief, I'm emphasizing our belief that most of the spectrum disorders are caused by the toxins interacting with the baby at a crucial stage during development. If you get yourself clear, the probability of the baby getting spectrum disorder is much less. Now, we haven't proved that yet. We're actually in the process of getting those studies underway. But that's also kind of a detox protocol. And finally, what made this whole thing very quite famous and quite well known is the longevity study that was done by Adobe Kipro who said if plasma change you're going to reverse biomarkers of aging. We do that protocol too. So that's our MDL longevity marker. 

19:29
Dr. Paul Savage
Now what we realized is once we had such a phenomenal result on lowering the toxins and we reduced the inflammation, reduce the oxidation, reduce the cancer markers and the immune system got better. We said, I bet you now we can start using some of those therapies that we always known would work with chronic inflammatory diseases like heart disease, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, cancer. And we develop protocols to aim specifically at that. So we have done dozens and dozens of people. It's all observational. You can read about it on our website, you can watch testimonials. But we've been able to reverse people's memory. So you just have to see the testimonials online to see their story. They're up by 17 to 40%. These people are basically back to where they were before they started becoming forgetful. 

20:20
Dr. Paul Savage
We have patients who have like, where they're watched, they've had cancer and they don't want to get it again or they have cancer that we're doing what's called watchful waiting, like prostate cancer. And testimony of one of the Guys, we did the protocol on that. We reduced his inflammation and his toxin level so low that his prostate shrunk by 25%. And all this, all the markings that we would see on the MRI disappear that were associated with cancer. We know he still has it there. It's not visible from where. Because this goes back to the whole idea that cancer is caused by a toxic microenvironment. And we just fix the microenvironment. It just gets really exciting. 

20:58
Dr. Paul Savage
And now we have patients with heart disease, and what we're seeing is markedly reducing the oxidation and the inflammation around what is the major cause of heart disease and slows down the progression of the plaque development. Matter of fact, in some of the patients, we're seeing up to 17% of plaque reversal just with this protocol. That's what. 

21:17
Dr. Jill Carnahan
It's so amazing. And of course, it's going to work for almost all of these chronic complex conditions, because at the core, as we first established, toxic load is really the core. And I love to frame it as far as functional medicine. I always think of toxic load, infectious burden. So this reactivation of old Lyme disease or Epstein Barr. But all of that often comes from toxic load suppressing immunity and mold. For example, we have mycophenolic acid, which is such a known immunosuppressive, used to make the drug cells up. So this concept really does bear out in science that if you pull that toxic load, and even with heart disease, it makes. I just want to clarify, because you were like, how does this work with heart disease? You said it so well. But the truth is it's not. Cholesterol is innocent. 

21:58
Dr. Jill Carnahan
It's spackling on the wall. 

21:59
Dr. Paul Savage
The inflammation effect on cholesterol makes it a bad player. It's the opposite effect on the cholesterol that makes it. The cholesterol is just an innocent bystander. It gets affected by the inflammation and oxidation, which turns it into a damaging particle. 

22:12
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Yeah. 

22:12
Dr. Paul Savage
Once you remove the inflammation and oxidation on all of our heart patients, the particles go down and the small, dense particles disappear. 

22:19
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Yeah. 

22:20
Dr. Paul Savage
The. One of the most. One of the most commonly prescribed protocols that we use is the immunity protocol. That's where you and I talk so much, because that is exactly what you're talking about. That is when the immune system has been affected by the toxins and the infections, I consider to be just another sort of toxin. But you can't get rid of the infections when your toxins are suppressing your immune system. 

22:44
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Exactly. 

22:45
Dr. Paul Savage
Not possible. Antibiotics work by augmenting what your immune System can do without immune system antibiotics don't work. 

22:53
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Yeah, that's really the key is, like, you often take off that load and the body functions just fine because these, most of these are very low virulence, meaning they're not going to kill a person. They're just active because their dormancy got exploded because the weakened immune system. So I really love talking about that. And we're developing a new mold protocol, which I get so about. So stay tuned because we will have all the data on that, on a very specific protocol for patients who have mold toxicity, which you and I agree is probably one of the most tough, difficult types of cases. 

23:24
Dr. Paul Savage
It is amazing that the United States government does. Does not pay more attention to mold toxicity when everybody else in the world does. Right. They all said as a high. I mean, you also. We have some of the top toxicologists in the US that are partnered with us, and I tell you every day of the week, they're very concerned about the Botox. I mean, whether you're looking at any of the Safra toxins or whether you look at any of the MPO or even Ochra toxin, they're just. These are highly cytotoxic. That mean they kill the cells, they're highly immunosuppressive, and they really do suppress the immune system. As you said, MPO is made into a chemotherapy drug. 

24:01
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Yeah. So patients are getting tested, obviously. Toxic Lotus, are you doing baseline of inflammatory markers like CRP or lipid peroxides or some other things there? 

24:10
Dr. Paul Savage
We do baseline testing of a lot. We do. We do 109 different toxins. We do the whole immune system. So we're looking at your lymphocytes, not just your CBC and your white cell, looking at lymphocyte count, your CD3, your CD4, your CD8, your CD57, your CD19. We're looking at the IgG ratios of all the different IgGs and what quantitative you're doing. We're looking at all the inflammatory markers, we look at all the oxidative markers. We're looking at all the interleukin numbers, the necrosis factors, the tumor, the TGF Beta 1. We're looking at all of these things that the immune system, because that's the system that you see impacted the first and worst, and it's the last one that gets better in the toxic load. 

24:53
Dr. Paul Savage
So even if people don't have a lot of toxins, the reason we want to do the immune system is because, for that person, because it's the toxins that you have playing against the DNA that you have. If you have DNA that's not really great for immune system and you add the toxins, your immune system is going to crash. And when your immune system crashes, that opens the door to all these chronic infections and heart disease and autoimmunity and cancer. 

25:16
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Hey guys, just a quick break to remind you, Please subscribe on YouTube if you haven't already. We know a lot of you listen and don't subscribe and that's quite all right. But I want to thank those of you who are subscribers. You help us to reach more people, invite better guests and to just bring you all around great quality information. Please also pop in the comments, leave me some feedback, questions, comments, things you want to hear about. I do read those comments and respond personally. So look forward to seeing you right after this. Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more. And really that's where it lies, that infectious toxin and where it interplays immune system inflammation, which is why any inflammatory or immune dysfunction, you're seeing results because you're going to the root cause. 

25:59
Dr. Paul Savage
We've had patients that had chronic infections for 20 years and after they did the protocol, were able to clear out the chronic infection because their immune system woke up and got to work. And then were able to use the immune system and the things that we tell doctors all the time, we MD lifespan, we just specialize in doing tpe. We don't do chronic care like you do, we don't do chronic. But we take your patients, we get them clean. Now we can return them to you so that you can use the protocols that you know should have worked, but they didn't because the toxins were suppressing the immune system too impactfully. 

26:31
Dr. Jill Carnahan
So this is great. And let's just pause for a second because there's a lot of doctors who listen to Resiliency radio and I want to talk to them because they can refer and there's no competing clause here because you're kind of doing this thing and sending them back for how would it, would a doctor do referral? Would they just send a patient to your website? 

26:47
Dr. Paul Savage
They can simply send the patient to our website and the patient can schedule a call. It's right on the front page, that call. The patient will meet with our doctor on the first call. The patient can bring their doctor with them. We can make a three way call if the doctor wants to join us for that call as well. That's a kind of introduction call. So we're making sure the patient isn't eliminated from tp, we might make sure they're a candidate for TP and make sure that they fit into one of our protocols. If they do, we move them for an evaluation phase by our doctor in which the patient's looking at their labs, we're looking at their labs, we're looking at a questionnaire, they're looking at our consent. 

27:21
Dr. Paul Savage
Their doctor can also join us for that call, as well as we discuss all the different protocols and how we would put them together. We customize the protocol around the patient. Here's something very important that makes MD lifespan different than a lot of the other companies doing this. We are a public benefit corporation. All the doctors that we work with specifically made it this way so that our purpose is try to drive this to every patient that needs it. And we've done a lot of different things that other people have. We realized that it's not how quickly you do the TPEs, it's how many you do. And you can space them three months, six months apart, and you will still get the benefit. It'll just take you longer, but sometimes from the financial burden, that's the way the patient needs to do it. 

28:00
Dr. Paul Savage
We also do the financing in house, so we don't require people to pay us all the money up front. We pay half up front, then they can pay the rest off over the next 90 days. We're very dedicated with trying to do whatever we can, because Plans for Exchange offers something that hasn't been available to the field for people who have mold toxicity or many of these different. Many of these inflammatory diseases that are caused by toxins, which we're now able to give them at a. At a local. 

28:28
Dr. Jill Carnahan
That's so exciting. We'll talk just briefly about price. I want to talk about, too. I think you mentioned this. I just want to be clear, if someone's like, do I do a consult? I have to pay for that? It's free to talk to your doctor. Right. And I think the first two visits, until they get accepted in the program. 

28:40
Dr. Paul Savage
All the visits are free. 

28:42
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Yeah. 

28:42
Dr. Paul Savage
Up until they purchase a package. And then all the. Everything you need is in the package. All the labs, all the visits, all the medicines, all the TPEs, it's just one price. We just try to make it easy for people to understand that this is the price. And we've substantially. If you added up all these individual items, it's substantial. It's usually 30 to 40% more than it would be. But we're making these package prices for people. 

29:04
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Yeah. I think you've done a really good job of trying to make it affordable. And obviously you and I both have a goal to get this widespread covered someday by insurance. 

29:13
Dr. Paul Savage
They'll have to. I mean, what we're going to see, if you want to look forward about five or six years, what we're going to see is traditional medicine. This will belong in every cardiologist office, every neurology office, every rheumatologist's office, every gynecology office, every obstetrics office, because every field in medicine is impacted by these toxins and it's only getting worse. So it's not. This problem's going to go away tomorrow, but what we're going to start seeing is the government will start paying for this procedure for the worst of the worst. That's typically how it works in medicine. They won't pay it for everybody, although everybody probably needs it preventatively, like we need to do it now. They will do it for the people are starting to develop Alzheimer's who have heart disease, and we're trying to not do bypass surgery. 

29:59
Dr. Paul Savage
So this is how we know. I'm just being a realist. Everybody's like, I wish it wasn't that way. I do too. But in the realist, we can get this into medicine. We need to get this into medicine. We need to get at least the start where the worst of the worst are getting this therapy. Because there is nothing else that comes close to what this does. 

30:16
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Dr. Savage, that's why I get so excited, because I've been in toxicology, basically environmental toxicology, for two decades, a little bit more. And I am seeing the writing on the wall with the typical oral stuff for liver or glutathione is not working anymore, especially for plastics and pfas, which are forever chemicals. So this is huge. So the talk, just briefly, one thing I noticed in your protocols that I think is so powerful is you have the sequential therapy right every one month, two month, three month, four. Most protocols are three to five months. Some go longer. What are kind of the average cost of those different sessions? And maybe just give us a kind of range. People can get more information when they do the consultant. 

30:54
Dr. Paul Savage
The average TPE just TPE by itself. If you were to look across the United States is the lowest you're going to find is I found 4,500. And more commonly it's about 10,000. At MD lifespan, we're at 6,000. But I always tell people, we have highly trained nurses. We have the experience. This is all we do. We're the expert at it. And we've lowered the price as much as we can to stay in business. And we're just trying to get these out to people to do it. If you want to go someone that does charges 4,500 and they might do three or four of these a month or maybe less, and they don't have a nurse that's dedicated to this and accompanied, then that's your choice. You can do so. 

31:29
Dr. Paul Savage
But you're going to get the quality and experience for the price that we have there. But then we can add everything in. And when we started in labs, and we're talking about hundreds of labs, medications supplement, avoidance therapy, we have a software program that teaches you need to know along the way. We're looking at prices of the toxin that runs about 20,000 all the way up to the immunity one and the heart and the brain, which can be 40 or even 50,000 total. Now I. 

32:00
Dr. Jill Carnahan
That's like five months or more of the. 

32:03
Dr. Paul Savage
Everything is included so that, you know, even with the brain protocol and the immunity programs, which is two of our more expensive ones, there's a lot of companies that. Those include five TPS. A lot of companies. $50,000 just for five TPS. 

32:17
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Right. 

32:18
Dr. Paul Savage
Call has stem cells and exosomes and it has supplements and it has testing and it has all the doctor visits. Because some of these people, they don't give you doctor visit, they just approve you for a tpe. You come get TP like you're getting a outpatient iv. You know, just go get it. 

32:31
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Right. 

32:32
Dr. Paul Savage
And then you go home. That's not what we do. Yeah. 

32:34
Dr. Jill Carnahan
And I really like because we're comparing apples to apples. If you just want to go out and Google TPE and find prices you're not getting, you guys are doing true preventative, regenerative, functional, personalized medicine with a full protocol, which I love. 

32:48
Dr. Paul Savage
We have the data. Yeah. We have the studies, we have the patents. 

32:53
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Yeah. 

32:53
Dr. Paul Savage
We have the doctors. I mean, we have 27 medical advisors from all across the United States, from the top cardiologist to the top neurologist to the top toxicologists, all being our medical advisors. We have a purpose here. All the doctors I'm working with, most of us are near retirement or were retired. They're very well known in their field. Like you haven't come in to work with us. And we're taking all this aggregate data and just pointing it towards this one huge problem that we all face, which is toxic overload. 

33:23
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Right. Yeah. I get so excited. So a few little final questions. Is One thing I like that you do is you use albumin versus fresh frozen plasma and I think you're getting less side effects. So two, I guess two questions. Questions number one, why is that? Tell me the difference there? And then second, is there contraindications or people that you would feel that you would say this isn't right for you. 

33:43
Dr. Paul Savage
So that you know when you Google therapeutic plasma exchange, you need to be careful because you have to ask yourself what are you exchanging the plasma for? And we're using albumin, which is a very benign, neutral replacement fluid. It does come from human, from plasma donations. But what they do is the process by which they acquire the albumin out of this eliminates everything, including the spike proteins, viruses, cancer. It's been around for 50 years. It's so commercialized that the government doesn't even count it as a transfusion product at this point. So we want to use that because it's clean. And people like, how do you know it's clean? Even through the HIV era, which were doing TPEs, nobody got HIV from a TPE from using albumin. It just didn't happen. This is how clean that product is versus plasma. 

34:34
Dr. Paul Savage
Plasma is somebody else's blood fluid and they're giving you have a lot of stuff in it that are nutrients, that are hormones especially it comes from a younger person, but you don't know it's from a younger person. And even if you know it's from a younger person, you don't know how toxic that plasma is because everybody's toxic. So you're replacing one, you're taking out toxic, putting in toxic. But you also start having this risk of transfusion reactions. Out of the last 300 procedure we had three minor events where somebody got two people got a little light headed and one person passed out because their sugar got too low because they told us they ate and they didn't. Versus plasma exchange. With plasma you're going to have 26% of the people having side effects including anaphylaxis. 

35:18
Dr. Paul Savage
That means that reaction, that severe leach reaction where you can, your throat swells up and then also what's called transfusion related acute injuries like to the lung that occurs and you never know who it's going to occur on, but it comes from doing plasma. So you don't want to do plasma donations with therapeutic plasma stage unless you're in a hospital and your back is up against the wall and you need those special things that are in this. But if you're looking to do it for longevity or to, you know, to reboot your immune system or to do what we're doing. Don't even consider using the plasma, because as an ODR doctor, when people travel, traumas would come in. As I'm hanging the 10th unit of fresh frozen plasma, by the way, you're getting 10 units. 

36:01
Dr. Paul Savage
When you do plasma exchange with plasma, I would wonder, is the trauma going to kill this person or is that plasma exchange going to kill them? Because the plasma transfusion reactions, like idiopathic purpura, and then the injury to all these various tissues, it's a real thing. So, please, if you walk away from anything, from this conversation, hear me say two things. Go get your toxins tested. You can do that at our website or with Dr. Carnahan, because you don't know what you got until you test number two. Never get it. Never get the plasma change with plasma. Only get it with albumin, wherever you want to get it, but only with albumin. You're taking their. Your doctor is taking a risk with your life that you don't need to do for these kind of procedures. Teachers. 

36:42
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Dr. Savage, it is so exciting to hear about this because I believe, like I said, with my realm of expertise, this is really the next step for people who are super toxic and even those who just want optimal performance, optimal brain function, optimal heart function, there's nothing else out there like that. If you want to know more, where is your website? And just mention again how they can find you, what the next steps would be. 

37:05
Dr. Paul Savage
So our website is MDLifeSpan, and on our front page, you can schedule a call to talk to one of the doctors, no charge. Or you can actually sign up to get your own toxin testing. And when the results come back, you'll still talk to one of our doctors, so we can tell you what it means for you. And again, there's no charge for that doctor visit or that doctor charge for interpreting your lab. We just want to provide you with the best information. Our website also has all the guidebooks to help you learn how to avoid the all the toxins in your universe. And it's really not as hard as you want to make it think. 

37:38
Dr. Paul Savage
And with Dr. Carnahan here, we're going to soon be having another one just dedicated to mold, because mold people out there are special people that need just more guidance, because mold is just a terrible thing for people to have. 

37:53
Dr. Jill Carnahan
I am so excited about that. So thank you, Dr. Savage, for your work. Thank you for. Basically, I mean, you've done a lot of work. You wouldn't have had to come out and do this. And yet you're, I feel like this, your whole life has kind of led you to this place to make a difference. 

38:07
Dr. Paul Savage
I had to come back. I had to come out of retirement. When the universe gives you a gift and it says this is how you fix all this stuff, and it's the major issue that is facing everybody today. And it's going to become more and more in the news. If you're listening to this today, imagine a year from now because it's just going to be 10 times worse. And we're, we have to stop polluting the government, stop polluting the environment. But before that, you can stop polluting yourself. It's not that difficult. 

38:37
Dr. Jill Carnahan
Love it. Well, thank you again, Dr. Savage, for your great information. Well, I hope you enjoyed that episode with Dr. Paul Savage. He is a wealth of knowledge and I couldn't be more proud to be helping with MD lifespan and helping to create protocols for mold toxicity, which we all know is increasing incidence and such a difficult thing to treat and to deal with. So super excited about MD lifespan. I hope, if you're interested, you'll go there and just order that toxin test and get started. At least find out your toxic load and if it's elevated, make a call with the doctors. It's all free to start. Just check it out if you're interested in learning more. Like I said, you can start MD lifespan, go there, get a toxin test, and then schedule a consult with their doctor. 

39:22
Dr. Jill Carnahan
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