Dr. Jill Carnahan is joined by Lauryn Lax to discuss the Total Gut Reset, a comprehensive guide on how to optimize your health and reset your second brain. Lauryn Lax is a wellness expert who specializes in helping people improve their gut health.
Key Points
- Many of our physical symptoms and disorders begin with an unhealthy gut microbiome
- How the symptoms of your gut may be telling you about “undigestible” stressful issues in your life
- Why your diet makes a massive difference in gut health but how long-term highly restrictive diets may be unhealthy for your microbiome.
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The Guest – Dr. Lauryn Lax
Dr. Lauryn is a former TV news journalist turned functional medicine & gut health expert. Her work is inspired by her 25 years of clinical and personal experience, overcoming 12 “incurable” illnesses that diets, doctors and Dr. Google could not solve.
Dr. Lauryn’s death-to-life story has been featured on CBS, ABC, Good Morning America and USA Today; and your can find out more about her work by reading her latest book The Total Gut Reset , tuning into her “Go with Your Gut” podcast, and joining her The Total Gut Reset program and virtual functional medicine clinic.
Dr. Lauryn Lax Links
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Dr. Jill
Dr. Jill Carnahan is Your Functional Medicine Expert® dually board certified in Family Medicine for ten years and in Integrative Holistic Medicine since 2015. She is the Medical Director of Flatiron Functional Medicine, a widely sought-after practice with a broad range of clinical services including functional medical protocols, nutritional consultations, chiropractic therapy, naturopathic medicine, acupuncture, and massage therapy. As a survivor of breast cancer, Crohn’s disease, and toxic mold illness she brings a unique perspective to treating patients in the midst of complex and chronic illness. Her clinic specializes in searching for the underlying triggers that contribute to illness through cutting-edge lab testing and tailoring the intervention to specific needs.
A popular inspirational speaker and prolific writer, she shares her knowledge of hope, health, and healing live on stage and through newsletters, articles, books, and social media posts! People relate to Dr. Jill’s science-backed opinions delivered with authenticity, love and humor. She is known for inspiring her audience to thrive even in the midst of difficulties.
Featured in Shape Magazine, Parade, Forbes, MindBodyGreen, First for Women, Townsend Newsletter, and The Huffington Post as well as seen on NBC News and Health segments with Joan Lunden, Dr. Jill is a media must-have. Her YouTube channel and podcast features live interviews with the healthcare world’s most respected names.
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150: Dr Jill & Lauryn Lax discuss Total Gut Reset: Optimize Your Health and Reset Your Second Brain
Dr. Jill 0:12
Well, hello everybody! Welcome back to another episode of Dr. Jill Live! As you know, you can find me on YouTube. Please stop by there and subscribe so you get advance notice of all the upcoming episodes. Or if you prefer audio in your car, on your walk, or wherever you're going like I do, you can listen on iTunes, Stitcher, or Spotify; anywhere you listen to podcasts, it's all there. But wherever you listen, please, please do subscribe, follow, and make sure you leave a review because the more reviews we get, the more listeners we reach.
Dr. Jill 0:43
So today I have a delightful friend and amazing colleague, and we're going to talk about the gut and all things gut-brain connection. I also want to mention that she was on a previous episode. I think it was episode 21, way back in the day.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 0:57
Yes.
Dr. Jill 0:58
I think it was early in COVID, actually, that we connected.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 1:01
Oh my gosh.
Dr. Jill 1:02
So you might want to catch that episode. Episode 21 is with Lauryn Lax today. Let me introduce you, Lauryn, and then we will jump right in. Dr. Lauryn is a former TV news journalist turned functional medicine and gut health expert. Her work is inspired by her 25 years of clinical and personal experience overcoming 12 “incurable diseases”—I know how that goes—the diets, doctors, and Dr. Google couldn't solve. Dr. Lauryn's death-to-life story has been featured on CBS, ABC, Good Morning America, and USA Today. And you can find more about her work by reading her latest book, Total Gut Reset, which is also the title of our episode today. Tune in to her Go With Your Gut podcast and join her in the Total Gut Reset program and virtual functional medicine clinic.
Dr. Jill 1:44
Lauryn! It's so good to see you here, and welcome back! It's always fun to talk to a colleague but also a friend because we often share prayer requests outside of this, which is so fun to have that kind of friendship. But I'd love to start with [your] story. So I want to start with: How did you get here? We heard just a little bit about the incurable diseases and everything in your bio. Tell us a little bit about your background and what you're passionate about.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 2:09
One hundred percent. Well, yes, I was on the path to becoming the next Katie Couric on the Today Show before the big man upstairs had different plans with the journey I had been on. My journey really begins back at 10 years old, [during] fourth-grade recess. All I wanted to do was fit in. I had frizzy hair and a pink scrunchie my mom made me wear. And that day at fourth-grade recess, the popular girls invited me to join their gossip circle. They're laughing at Melanie Shawn's ugly sweater and gawking over Eric Arthur's cute ‘freckly' face.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 2:40
Then the topic of weight comes up, and the queen bee says: “Oh my gosh, you guys, I weighed myself last night, and I'm 69 pounds—so fat!” And then turning to each of us, [she asked], “What do you weigh?” And one by one, we had to go around the gossip circle and report to our drill sergeant. At a healthy 80 pounds at 10 years old, I was by no means a fat kid, but when the circle got to me, I gulped and I lied. I said, “I don't know.” And I never forget going home and standing in the pantry that day, turning over my favorite Doritos snack pack, and learning a whole new language, which was fat grams and calories. And at age 10, my life path took a sharp turn.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 3:17
Little did I realize I'd spend the next 20-plus years of my life on a roller coaster of diets, dogmas, Dr. Google searches, and doctor's offices, all in search of feeling good in my own skin for multiple things. I was diagnosed with anorexia around that age. My habits started and were quickly discovered by my parents and pediatricians. From there, it became an all-out war between my goals of just feeling good in my own skin and what the world, the culture, the doctors, and the conventional healthcare system told me to do. Really, little did I realize I would go head-to-head with that conventional thinking at such a young age. But really, my many years in hospitals and treatment centers…
Dr. Lauryn Lax 4:07
I spent four accumulated years of my life over the course of that eating disorder journey inside hospitals and treatment centers on a feeding tube and heart rate monitors, IV fluids, and being fed Pop-Tarts, pizza, and Prozac because that's the conventional medical system's treatment for eating disorders. It still is kind of today as well, just like we see with the ‘move more, eat less' [approach] for people who are overweight. Just symptom-based treatment or a ‘take a pill for an ill' lifestyle-induced disease.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 4:39
So at a young age, my wheels began to turn, and [I was] like, “This is not the path to feeling well or being well.” That early journey came to a head from the eating disorder at age 23, when I found myself about to enter my second year of grad school. I was actually studying to become a doctor of occupational therapy—roundabout ways of getting places. But I'll never forget stepping on the scale and seeing a number I had not seen since I was that 10-year-old girl—actually one pound less, 79 pounds. Only this time I was 23 and a full-fledged adult, and my journey really started and stopped there.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 5:15
I'll never forget praying: “God, help me make a change today.” It wasn't my parents standing over me telling me what to do or doctors. I was a full-fledged adult. I was making my own decisions and [was] like, “This is what my life has come to.” So as I prayed, “God help me make a change today”—I yelled that out loud on my way to the gym at the YMCA—when I got to the gym, not one, but nine other strangers walked up [to me]. And they're nine gym goers, [whom] I now call my YMCA angels, who stepped in, spoke up, and said they wanted to help. And really, not knowing anything about my backstory, they just saw a girl slaving away on her StairMaster and in the gym eight hours a day, subsisting on very little, and just withering away.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 5:56
Within the next 48 hours, I found myself in the CCU with a heart rate in the near 20s and doctors saying I may not make it. In that moment, something inside me clicked. That download was, “The answer is not out there; it's in here,” and really in my gut. The Holy Spirit is a big part of my story as well. I heard a download from the Lord as just: “Lauryn, I've got this, but buckle up your seatbelt; it's going to be a ride.” And it wasn't just another six-week stay at a time in a hospital or a few months at a treatment center. I spent another year in treatment, really refeeding back to health, but not in a very healthy way. But something inside me had changed. I said, “Life is going to be different on the other side.” It 100 percent was. I became just completely remiss from that eating disorder and that mindset that I had had for so long and [felt] freedom from that.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 6:47
But little did I know, on the back end of that journey, I had another journey I'd go through. So the next 10 years, I would actually be diagnosed with these 12 “incurable illnesses”—I put that in quotes because they're now in remission, 100%—from all those years that both diets and treatment had destroyed my gut. So [it was due to] both diet culture and conventional health care. It really formed this, like, fire in my belly to figure out: “There has to be another way outside of both of these worlds that are promising health for people.”
Dr. Lauryn Lax 7:21
And the diagnoses I was given were anything from like five different autoimmune diseases, hypothyroidism, being worked up for cancer and brain tumors and strokes, and then mast cell activation syndrome, mold illness, Lyme disease, and co-infections. Really, the list goes on. There's not a disease I did not touch on paper, I guess. But I had to heal from the inside out. So that journey and that roller coaster became my underground medical school, so they say, of learning how to heal from the inside out.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 7:54
And that's what developed my love for the gut and the gut-brain connection because that runs the show in our bodies. Your gut is connected to everything: Head, heart, and health—all three of those things. So it's both figurative and literal. And then the brain—just that direct link right there. So everything that we intercept in our outer world filters from there to the gut, and then, obviously, vice versa. So that's where I began to find so much healing.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 8:25
Today I'm healed to heal others, and I'm working with others. I'm launching this company, Total Gut Reset, which is really a compilation of my lived experience over all those years. I'm now 35. I feel like I'm 25 because I am anti-aging and [because of] my clinical and personal experience working with patients for the past 10 years.
Dr. Jill 8:48
Wow! What a compelling story, and what a beautiful way you have of telling your story! It's intriguing. I know that our listeners, if they didn't relate to one point, related to another because what you're describing is the human experience, right? And especially for young women, I had a lot of similar stuff I talked about in my book. I didn't know I was celiac—undiagnosed. I was zinc deficient. I was hypochlorhydric. I had swelling, I had puffy face, and I was thinking I was fat. And I had the same kind of pathway—more like a couple of years of bulimic behavior. But it wasn't about the eating disorder; it was about mindset, right? And it was also about our health from the inside out, from the gut level, because my gut was so ill that it was affecting me physically. I really understand that.
Dr. Jill 9:30
And I know a lot of mothers, grandmothers, patients, young girls, or others listening can relate. And if there's ever more pressure, this next generation is even more [overwhelmed] with our filters and our toxic load. This is only becoming a bigger issue because people on the outside are trying to fix this surface, this mask, right? And [yet], it's [on] the inside where we heal. So I love that you go there.
Dr. Jill 9:55
And I want to talk about mindset because part of what you described was when you were in the gym and you had the angels intervening at the fitness center. What I heard in your story was this understanding at some deep level at some point, which was probably God's spirit in your life, that was like, “This isn't an outside job.” And you said that, right? I love that. Let's talk about that, because that leads to what we're going to talk about today and, really, what I also believe are some of the key healings.
Dr. Jill 10:23
If we hate ourselves or don't love the body that God has given us, we will get disease, and we'll often manifest autoimmunity or other things. So it's so important. Let's talk a little bit about that. And tell us: How did that feel to go from… I mean, honestly, I don't know, or we don't want to project, but I'm guessing you kind of hated your body in the beginning, right?—because that's what we do when we have those kinds of disorders. And then we have to switch and shift. Tell us about that.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 10:48
Yes. Oftentimes, I tell my clients that dis-ease in our lives can show up as disease in the body. Dis-ease being uneasiness, stress, imbalance. A lot of that is intercepted through the brain. The HPAT axis is taking everything in in our fight-or-flight world. So it could be external stress that is manifested and definitely just the psychosocial emotional stressors that we are vibing at on a daily basis.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 11:14
And 95% of our brain and our thoughts are actually subconscious thinking. So anything that we're consciously aware of is like the tip of the iceberg. So if I am in a place of not feeling good enough… Like, that was my story for so long that it was really just entrenched in my innermost being. So what continued to drive a lot of the eating disorder and the later residuals of all the other health issues was that full-embodied belief that I'm not good enough, as well as the enemy's greatest lies.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 11:52
So that, I think, can really manifest in eating disorders, but with any symptom, actually. There is a map to a specific type of stressor. So with eating disorders and gut issues, a lot of times that's related to an indigestible conflict in our lives. Our body and our symptoms are metaphors for what's happening in our mind, in our world, and in the stresses that we're encountering. Obviously, at fourth-grade recess, a little girl tells me I'm fat; that's pretty indigestible. Something I couldn't swallow, figuratively again, and break down. That is like, ping—ouch, that hurt! And I never processed that at that time.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 12:34
These can be the seemingly littlest of things, but it can also be a building story. That “I'm not good enough” didn't just happen at that fourth-grade recess. It was very entrenched in my early life: Wanting to be a people-pleaser, being the firstborn golden child, and feeling like I needed to perform. Growing up in a society where there was a lot of expectation, an upper-middle-class kind of school, etc. A teacher in third grade telling me to suck my tummy in. So there are a lot of seeds that can be planted. It's not just one instance, either.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 13:05
And a lot of times, the length of that illness may mirror the onset of it, so it's slow-building. Whereas maybe an acute cold or flu that lasts a week is a stink conflict related, too. So that may have been like: “The weather is changing. It's winter. This sucks.” Like “that stinks.” Or it could be just something at work, like a tough little email or debacle that you were navigating, that could onset it. But I have been able to understand how the brain is mapped for different conditions based on stressors. Through my own lived experience and workshopping each of those individual things, it has really made so much sense and also helped with healing because with awareness comes more healing.
Dr. Jill 13:55
Yes. That's one thing you and I love to text back and forth [about]: The learning we're doing. Understanding ourselves at a deeper and deeper level often leads to transformation, and that's what you're describing. Now, two things that come to mind that I talk about in the book and that I think are common to so many men and women are: “I'm not worthy. I'm not enough.” Or “I'm not lovable.” Those are universal things that people often struggle with. Tell us from your perspective: With your background in NLP and some of these things, where do those come from? How can we overcome them? How might they manifest in disease? The worthiness, the loving ourselves—tell us a little bit about those frameworks because they seem to be super common.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 14:35
Yes. I think they are part of the human needs. Tony Robbins calls them the six human needs, which would be [things] like worth, significance, and connection. Love is another one. The need for control and peace in our lives. The need for variety. The need for joy and ease, too. That's his framework that he'll come from. I call them ‘gut hungers.' But I think they are part of the human experience because we do live in a world where this world is not our home as well. So there are pinings for [things] like significance, worth, purpose, love, and connection. We saw that a ton during COVID.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 15:20
I think it's so interesting that during COVID, we were locked down for like four to eight weeks in some places, and people got way sick after being locked down. It's how that lack of love and connection was really taken from us and where that disease escalated, as well as the stories we were feeding ourselves during that time and the awareness there. But yes, I think it is definitely rooted, even that [sense of] worth, back in the Garden of Eden too—the need for purpose and meaning and wanting to be something greater. So I think it is just embedded in us. With awareness, though, comes power.
Dr. Jill 16:05
Yes.
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Dr. Jill 17:02
Yes. And these aren't bad things because being loved and loving in return is such a core [part] of who we are and what we are put on this earth to do. And then worth and value—we all have intrinsic value. So let's turn a little to the gut-specific because we have the physiological gut, the gut issues you and I have both experienced, and then the gut-brain connection. Do you want to frame that a little and tell us a little bit about how you approach the gut with the Gut Reset program?
Dr. Lauryn Lax 17:25
Yes, definitely. I always say health is an inside job. So if you fix the inside, the outside is going to greatly improve. We were talking a lot about mindset, but also physiologically, because the gut is the mothership. It's kind of [like] if you've ever seen My Big Fat Greek Wedding, they use Windex on everything. I think there's really nothing that your gut does not touch. You have more microbes than cells in your body. The majority of your immune system is there—70% to 80%. Then you have, obviously, the brain, where 90% to 95% of signals to the brain are actually coming from the gut microbes. Over 500 million neurons are inside your gut, which would be brain cells inside your gut, more than any other part of your peripheral nervous system. Your metabolism is greatly affected.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 18:13
I love the studies where they take the germ-free mice and put bacteria from an overweight subject and from a lean subject into these mice, and they gain weight or lose weight depending on which bacteria they get. No change in diet or exercise at all. Your hormones as well. It's your largest hormone-producing endocrine organ itself. So a lot of our hormone balancing and a lot of our active T3, which would be thyroid hormones, are produced there. Cortisol inflammation is going to affect what's happening in the gut. The gut is also going to affect the HPAT axis, which is your cortisol producing system. There are so many layers there. And yes, the mothership is really what I like to [inaudible].
Dr. Jill 19:05
Yes. It's a great way to frame it. What are some practical lifestyle tips? Obviously, we can talk about probiotics and those kinds of things, [along with] interventions. But tell us how sleep, mindset, and some of the other things affect our gut. So we have the top-down and bottom-up directions, but what about these things that actually affect our gut function?
Dr. Lauryn Lax 19:24
Yes, definitely. The fundamentals of health help. It's like an olive branch to the gut. The reason why diets even work in diet culture for a time—we know 95% of diets end up failing people—is because of what's happening in the gut. So if one adopts a carnivore diet—I was just at KetoCon this past weekend, and a lot of carnivore keto was talked about—it's modulating the gut microbiome. Diet can be an influential piece in healing your gut, and what was once productive can become counterproductive too without balance in the gut. The gut and your body as a whole ultimately desire homeostasis. We definitely live in a toxic world where we're inundated with a lack of homeostasis. So sometimes what seems extreme—cleansing, etc., or a diet of some sort—therapeutically can be really productive and helpful. But I would say diet is the number one modifier of the gut, aside from a fecal microbial transplant, at least for a time. And most people are not doing that right now.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 20:30
And then, from a diet-granular perspective, balance. Protein, fat, and fiber being essentials there, and the least inflammatory versions of those as possible [are best]. It is interesting from a mindset perspective when we factor in diet, too, because I do believe an 80/20 balance is so essential from a diet perspective. It's kind of like the hygiene hypothesis: The cleaner we are, the sicker we become. A lot of my patients that come to me are eating so pristinely or are eating like five to 10 foods, and yet they're still sick, still not feeling well, and still feeling way stressed around food. So a big part of my approach is actually branching out and finding food freedom. We all know 90-year-old Uncle Joe, who eats Spam and orange soda every day. He just sits on his couch, and he's never had a diagnosis in his life. He's a happy camper. There is something to the mind and our peace of mind. The Blue Zone studies, as well, are great where they show—
Dr. Jill 21:31
I love those studies.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 21:32
Yes. Community is a huge piece of the puzzle, but that's just one factor. Diet, as I'm mentioning, [is too], [along with] balance. There are multiple other things I can [inaudible].
Dr. Jill 21:43
I'm just stopping there real quickly. Even with my history with Crohn's, I went on a very restrictive diet to heal from that. But let's talk briefly. Say we do go on a low-FODMAP diet for SIBO, right? This is a great example because what you're doing is taking out all the foods that feed your microbiome, and you're doing that intentionally so that you starve the bacteria that are growing in your small bowel. It works. It's very effective. I use that. But if you were to stay on the low FODMAP diet for life, or if you're out there and you've been on it for 10 years, you are starving the diversity in your microbiome. And even for me, with my history of Crohn's and eating super clean, I have continued to try to add foods versus take them away.
Dr. Jill 22:19
And 20 years ago—it's been a long time since I've been doing functional medicine—I would put people on elimination diets. And it's super helpful. Like you said, the studies I quote when I'm teaching about gut health, [after] one day of the mice switching from a high-fat westernized diet to a plant-based diet or vice versa, the microbiome changes in 24 hours. So it's profound—the effect of the food on the microbiome and on the immune system—and that's what we're seeing. But that long-term can be… And it can also be so restrictive for you, even the mindset or going out to eat with friends or whatever.
Dr. Jill 22:53
Now, I'm all for a super-clean diet. To this day, let me be clear: I eat really, really, really clean. I don't touch gluten. I don't touch dairy. I really avoid sugar. So that'll always be, and I have no problem with that. But as many of you listeners have had these [issues] where you're so sensitive or you have mast cell activation, what we want to do is heal that mindset and heal that immune system. Speaking of that, I think this is a great next topic because mast cell activation and the gut are very connected because we have so many histamine [producing] mast cells in our gut.
Dr. Jill 23:19
And the thought that came to mind that I'd like to talk about is fear and safety. Because I think a big piece of this reacting to our environment, reacting to the world, having had mold exposure, both you and I get to be… And even if we know in our minds, “Hey, I'm gonna be okay,” there is a limbic response. And the same with being afraid of foods, where you get into this box where you have four food groups that you can eat—not groups but food [inaudible]. And part of that is that if you don't feel safe in your body or you feel like the environment is a threat, even subconsciously, it will affect your reactivity to foods and mast cell issues. Let's talk about that because that's this mind-body connection, and I feel like the more I can help patients feel safe, the more they'll heal their guts.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 24:02
Yes, 100%. So the fear response overtly is going to shut down your digestion and then release that, like “Mayday, mayday, histamine,” because fear and anxiety go together with the histamine release as well as cortisol. It's kind of like if you're running from a bear in the wild, the last thing your body's going to want to do is digest that chicken breast. So that fight-or-flight response is huge as well. So it does start here, in the mind.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 24:28
One of my favorite studies is the milkshake study, where they give two groups a milkshake and say, “Enjoy it.” One of them is an “Indulgent Shake,” a 600-calorie milkshake. The other one is a “Sensishake,” a 140-calorie milkshake. In actuality, they gave them the exact same milkshake, a 300 calorie milkshake. They wanted to see what happened to their metabolic response. The people who had the “Indulgent Shake” were actually more satisfied. They felt very nourished, and they were like: “Earned it. We enjoyed it. It's one time. Great. Glad we got to do the study and enjoyed that.” The people with the “diet shake,” on the other hand, had a three-fold increase in their hunger hormone, and they felt more deprived. They kind of earned it as well. They earned their calories so they could have more, and they wanted more. And again, [there was] no change in the actual milkshake that they were served.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 25:16
So that in and of itself, going into our meals and the way we approach food, especially when we are labeled… And we've come to this conclusion a lot of times on our own because we've been doing all the searching and realized: “Man, I do have mast cell activation syndrome.” And then you start getting inundated with [things] like “low oxalates,” “low histamine,” and low everything—alpha-gal syndrome, etc. Then fear sets in, so if we even think about eating food, we react.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 25:45
I think something that really helped me begin to get over that was to assume a new identity. And I can say with 100 percent confidence that I've been able to introduce every single food that I wanted to that I had not been able to have before, like when I was going through that. When I say that “I wanted to,” I have a very deep-seated, I would say, trauma with gluten and dairy just from the eating disorder. Days of being served Pop-Tarts and being force-fed these ice cream resource shakes. I just haven't really wanted to go there. But I think my body could handle it if I really mentally used that muscle, like if I go to Italy and try the gluten/bread there, which is more pristine than our toxin-[laden] bread here.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 26:38
Something I'll do with my clients is do a topping exercise and find two to three affirmation statements. When I was struggling with the mold, it was like, “I'm strong, I'm resilient, the mold can't hurt me.” And I would tap right here on my third eye, which is like where your pituitary gland is and where the stress is really being released. So doing that around food [is helpful]—like, “I'm strong, I'm resilient, the almond milk can't hurt me,” or whatever the food is—so that way, you begin to assume a new identity.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 27:11
And then really getting good visualization. Kind of like Michael Phelps style, where his secret to success as a 20-plus gold medal Olympic athlete was visualization—seeing himself at the end of that race, standing on the podium, waving to his fans, feeling himself in the water. You can do visualization with who it is you want to show up as in health and healing with food, envisioning it, and then really beginning a new belief because our body is going to respond to what we're telling it. So if we're showing up to a meal and very quietly [are] like, “I can do this,” but there's that deep-seated belief still, it may be more challenging.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 27:54
And then, alongside, what I'll do to help support clients, kind of like floaties, is put in the supplemental supports that feel like a life vest for them. Whether it's an MC Stabilizer or some natural antihistamine—who knows, placebo effect or real—they can take that with that; or digestive enzymes if tolerated. So putting in the reinforcements and then focusing a lot more on building up versus breaking down is what I do. If we can build up your good gut bug army and not leaky gut symptomology that's often present, as well as your drainage lymphatically… I focus a ton more on support versus detox, kill, detox, kill, because we want that good gut bug army. Then the oral tolerance increases, and you're able to digest more foods as well.
Dr. Jill 28:48
Love that. And what I love that you talked about is identity—you know, habits. So any habit we want to change, whether it's eating more foods or getting up every morning to do a gentle meditation or exercise, when we change our identity around that, like you said… I just wanted to reiterate that because I think it's so powerful for those of you out there looking for a way to change. Maybe you're frustrated with yourself. First of all, be kind to yourself because you're doing the best you can. But second of all, when you start to change—”I am a healthy person” or “I have a healthy gut”—and you become that, like you said, and when you're tapping, you actually start to make choices because that's your identity.
Dr. Jill 29:21
For example, I don't eat gluten—I have celiac [disease]—so there's never a choice or question. There's never any mental anguish over “Should I have that bread or should I not?” I just know. I'm gluten-free. I don't eat gluten. That's my identity. Same with smoking. I don't smoke. I'm a nonsmoker. And again, no judgment, but that's who I am. I don't think I've ever been offered a cigarette, but when something like that would come across me, I'd be like, “No, I don't smoke.” So anything you want to change in your life with habits, if you start to become that and that's your identity, it's so much easier. If you're like, “Oh, I'm 90% gluten-free,” well, then when that bread comes along, you're like: “Oh, am I going to eat it or not?” and you struggle internally. And if you're in a weak state and you didn't want to, but you were like, “Uh, I'm going to… ” And then you shame yourself internally, and there's a whole roller coaster.
Dr. Jill 30:06
So I really love that you talked about identity, because I think that's been a key for me in living life well. For example, I am a cancer survivor, technically. I say technically because sometimes nowadays people will ask about the cancer, and I have to almost pause. When I got cancer at 25, 21 years ago, I didn't identify with it; I didn't become it. And I never really identified with being a cancer survivor or having had cancer. Not that I was in denial. I was full-fledged, participating. But what that has led to is this kind of dissociation with, like, “Oh yeah, I did have cancer.” But it never was me. It wasn't my identity. And I think that's part of the healing, right?
Dr. Lauryn Lax 30:46
Oh, 100 percent. I would say that in both of my journeys, the crux point was deciding that I was well. Like, “I'm going to be well now, and I'm healed.” Both for the mold and those 12 “incurable illnesses,” and then for the eating disorder, I had specific pivotal moments with that. So that was 100 percent correct.
Dr. Jill 31:08
So in our last few minutes, mold. Our audience loves to hear about mold because a lot of you out there are suffering, have suffered, or know someone who has suffered. And it's nasty. I always say it was way easier to have cancer than a mold-related illness because cancer is obvious. I had no hair. You know, people understood. Mold-related illness is so difficult. And there's also a sabotage to our insight, understanding, our overwhelm, and our limbic system. So not only is it overwhelming physically, people don't understand, but it's also sabotaging our ability to be in the real situation and deal with it logically because our brain is affected. So obviously, mold can affect the gut. And you and I have both had experiences. Do you want to talk just a little bit about what you've learned with mold-related illness in the gut or just general tips and [inaudible] for those suffering from mold?
Dr. Lauryn Lax 31:53
Yes. Oh, man. I love the topic of mold because it is so pervasive nowadays. Obviously, fungal overgrowth in the gut and disruption of the gut microbiome as a whole can be caused by toxicity. The liver and gallbladder are part of your gut. It's part of your digestive system. Those are the pathways that, a lot of times, get most clogged or that we're really targeting when we are “detoxing” from mold or thinking. Even in the sauna for mold, we want to push toxins through.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 32:26
Interestingly, back to the gut-brain, some people tend to have certain symptoms of mold more than others. I did have a lot of IBS. I had colitis flares and mold, whereas some get horrible brain fog. Others will get hormone imbalances where the thyroid is off. Mold touches everything, but not everything for everyone at the same time. Why is that? That's kind of where the whack-a-mole of piecing [things] together [comes in]: What specific symptoms are maybe your top three? and understanding, what is the gut-brain connection there?
Dr. Lauryn Lax 33:02
When I am thinking gut-brain, we hear a lot about the limbic system and how the limbic system part of the brain is processing stressors and memories and storing and paralleling. So if I smell mold, even if I'm not living in mold anymore, it can re-trigger that fear response that I felt in my very first house. So I may experience the same symptoms, even if it's in my [inaudible] or if I think about it. I used to go into new homes to test or to look at a new home to live in. Before even walking in, sometimes I was already reacting because there was that fear response, and I don't want to be in that situation again. So that's the limbic system and how that's working.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 33:42
So for gut symptomology, as I mentioned earlier, a lot of times that can be related to indigestible conflicts. So what in my life was like a pervasive or hanging healing with an indigestible conflict? I know 100 percent that I've lived in mold a lot of my life in other seasons. But for whatever reason, this season of my life in which I got the sickest had been a series of stressors and “indigestible” conflicts, both within a work context and a roommate situation context. I was working, I think, 12-hour days, like very long, not sleeping very much, maybe four hours, and kind of just in go-mode. So there was a lot of stress happening. But you can workshop your specific symptoms again, depending on: What are the most pervasive ones? And what really helped me greatly was understanding how much stress had been related to the preceding onset from that gut-brain connection.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 34:41
Your immune system is also in your gut, as we mentioned. So a lot of times, with mast cells being paralleled with mold—I would say nine times out of ten, they're linked, if not 100 percent of the time—it's connected in there. So that being like: “Okay, my immune system is in my gut. Mold is something I'm perceiving that I'm living in. It's a toxin.” So there are a lot of layers there. And the gut does impact every other system in your body. But if you have over gut symptoms, I would explore: “What were the indigestible conflicts going on in my life prior to the mold onset or around that time as well?”
Dr. Jill 35:18
Gosh, I love that framework of the mind and “indigestible conflicts” so that we can think beyond just the physical organs because our brain, our framework, and some of the subconscious massively affect us. Oh, Dr. Lauryn, I could keep talking to you for a long time. This is so fun. But let's talk first of all: What would be your big takeaway? I just recently talked to someone and said, “For future generations”—because we know how we survived our childhood and some of the things we struggled with—”I think the younger generations have it even more difficult with our toxic loads increasing.” There is so much upheaval, uncertainty, and all of that. Gut-related, health-related, brain-related—you pick it—what would be a takeaway you would give to our listeners?
Dr. Lauryn Lax 36:00
Yes. I would just lean into knowing that, when given the right tools, your body always innately wants to heal itself. So [if you] break a bone, slap a cast on it, in six to eight weeks it heals, even if you're eating McDonald's. Or catch a cold or flu—a little R&R, Gilmore Girls reruns, and bone broth do the body good. The body is really wired to heal itself. So even amidst recognizing the inundation that we are in a toxic world and that our food system and the medical system don't always have our best health interests at heart, I like to really rest in the fact that, when given the right tools, my body is still innately wired to heal.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 36:37
Those right tools being the fundamental foundations of a balanced diet that we talked about: Really great gut health, and the layers that that includes, like sleep, exercise, connection with people, and the five ‘gut love habits' that I talk about in my program. Those are all really great core basics. I always go back to the foundations, even for myself, whenever I'm feeling out of balance.
Dr. Jill 37:01
Yes. I love that we landed there because it is so critical with the foundational [steps]. And like you said, sleep and food—I always say clean air, clean water, and clean food. Basic, basic stuff. It doesn't take an expensive supplemental program. It starts with the basics. It's so core. And, Dr. Lauryn, where can everybody find you or follow you? Tell us more about your program.
Dr. Lauryn Lax 37:20
I'm ‘DrLauryn' everywhere. So D-r-L-a-u-r-y-n, not e-n [at the end]. And DrLauryn.com is my mothership website. And then TotalGutReset.com will go live in September.
Dr. Jill 37:34
Awesome. Very cool. Thank you as always for your time, your expertise, your story, and your compassion. It's so fun to talk to you today!
Dr. Lauryn Lax 37:43
Thank you for having me on! So fun!
![204: Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill: Can our Minds Spontaneously Transform our Health? Bruce Lipton Dr. Jill 00:00 Hey guys, I am so excited to announce that the movie that you've been waiting for, the documentary Doctor/Patient, is now available for rent or purchase at DoctorPatientMovie.com. Check out the trailer here. 00:13 Dr. Jill: When I really knew something was wrong, was when I started having trouble walking up the stairs. I was supposed to be grateful and happy and healing and well and thriving, but I did not feel that way. I was so sick. Like always, I wanted to find an answer, and I had to figure it out. And I had to figure it out to save my own life. So I dove in. 00:38 James Maskell: Jill is the leading voice in biotoxin illness and chronic conditions that are driven by toxicity. 00:43 Bree Argetsinger: Oh my gosh, you're dealing with mold? You have to work with Dr. Jill Carnahan. 00:47 Patient 1: Dr. Jill is the first person that actually began to shed some light on the problem. 00:53 Dr. Jill: What I do is listen to the patient, and we together talk about what else is possible. 00:59 Patient 2: I don't know why I'm crying. 01:02 Patient 3: She saved my life. 01:06 Dr. Jill: The deepest lessons and most profound insights come in the suffering, come in the dark moments. Self-compassion is the healing transition that shifts something inside of us. It's actually the thing that we need most in order to heal. 01:26 Narrator: Doctor/Patient—available now at DoctorPatientMovie.com. Dr. Jill 01:36 Hey, welcome to Resiliency Radio, your go-to podcast for cutting-edge insights in functional and integrative medicine. I'm your host, Dr. Jill. In each episode, we dive into the heart of healing and personal transformation. Join us as we connect with renowned experts, thought leaders, and innovators who are at the forefront of medical research, empowering you with knowledge and wisdom to overcome illness in your journey to optimal health. Dr. Jill 02:02 Hey guys, if you don't already know, if you've been around me at all, you know my movie, Doctor/Patient is now out. You can view it, share it, gift it, or rent it at DoctorPatientMovie.com. Be sure to check it out and then I would love to hear your feedback after you've had a chance to watch it. Dr. Jill 02:19 Today, I am deeply honored to have guest Bruce Lipton here with me. He's a PhD, a cell biologist, a lecturer, and an internationally recognized leader in bridging science and spirit. We were just talking before we came on about how he has been a leader [for] decades before a lot of us in functional/integrative medicine came along. And I am so excited! If you're a doctor listening—and I know I have a lot of audience there—you are in for a treat. If you're a patient, you're also in for a treat. Stay tuned. Dr. Jill 02:47 Bruce was on the faculty of the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and later performed groundbreaking stem cell research at Stanford University. He's a best-selling author of The Biology of Belief—if you haven't read that book, it's a classic now—The Honeymoon Effect, and the co-author with Steve Bhaerman of Spontaneous Evolution. Bruce received his prestigious 2009 Goi Peace Award from Japan in honor of his scientific contribution to world harmony. Bruce, it is a true honor and delight to have you here! Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 03:17 Jill, I am a happy person to be here because this audience that I get a chance to talk to, to me, is a very important audience. These are the cultural creatives that are paving the way for the future that we need to get into very soon because we're facing an evolutionary upheaval at this very moment. Whether you watch the news, surf the web, or even look out your window, the whole planet has experienced chaos at every level of it. People are focusing on the little chaos, like focusing on the trees, without pulling back to see the biggest thing that's happening and nobody's saying the words. NASA—Let me just say NASA's words. NASA has recognized that within the next 20 years, civilization is facing—and this is my emphasis here—an irreversible collapse. The reason is so mathematically simple. Let me give the math. Dr. Jill 04:16 Sure. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 04:17 Science has recognized that to continue living just the way we're living—just say, let's every day live the way we're living today on this planet—it takes 1.6 planet Earths to provide the resources for today's civilization. The simple math is this: There's one Earth subtracted from 1.6, and we're recognizing: "Where the hell are we getting the extra points?" Dr. Jill 04:39 We're in a deficit. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 04:40 And that deficit is leading to the destruction of the web of life. We have to also recognize this: Even though the Bible is giving us some fanciful story that nature was created and then humans were added on top of nature—no, we evolved from nature. We are nature. If nature goes down, humans go down, because we are part of this web of life. Our separation in our consciousness [that causes us to believe] that we can dominate nature, I say, "How's that working?" I say, "We're facing an extinction." That's a biological reality at this moment. It's called a mass extinction. It happened five times in the history of this planet: Life was thriving, [then] mass extinction. It knocked it all out and then it started again. We are there because of our behavior. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 05:33 And I say, "Our behavior is based on our consciousness." I go: "Okay, wait a second. Is that New Age?" I go: "No, let's stop. No New Age here at this moment." [In] 1927—day one, quantum physics—Max Planck, the founding father of quantum physics, states: "The mind is the creator of our life experiences." Quantum physics—the most valid of all the sciences today in the sense of its predictions and accuracy. Quantum physics. And it's still the belief in quantum physics: Consciousness is controlling this. And I go: "So if consciousness is controlling this, then why are we in such a mess?" The answer is: We have been programmed, and the programming has disempowered us all. It has disempowered us as patients. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 06:28 I go: "I'll give you a program that disempowers you right now." I say, "What is it?" "It's called genetic determinism." That was what I was teaching in medical school: Genes control the character of life. I go: "Did we pick the genes as far as we know? No. But if we don't like the characters we have, can we change the genes? No, can't do that." And then let's just add a little tidbit: Genes turn on and off by themselves. And I say: "You put those together and what have you done? You have told the patients that their lives are not in their control, they're controlled by their heredity, and that they're victims of heredity. Which is victims of what? Genetics. And what does a person know about genetics? Nothing. Who does know something? The doctor. Aha! The program is: When it comes to health, people do not trust themselves." They say: "I need an expert opinion. I'm not knowledgeable." They accept the truth from somebody else. Dr. Jill 07:28 I so love the direction that you're going here because, as a physician, one of the most important things I can do is empower the patient and make sure that they don't think that I am the end-all-be-all. [I want them to know] that we are collaborating and that I listen to them, and I say: "How do you feel about this treatment plan? Where do you want to go?" Granted, if I have wisdom, I can give them that information, but they still get to make that decision. But so many patients are outsourcing that wisdom to someone. Or, at least paternalistically and historically, that has been the way. And what we need to do is take control of our own health. Dr. Jill 08:00 How many patients have gone through a loved one with breast cancer—I'm a breast cancer survivor, so I can speak on this—and they're told, "You have the BRCA gene and you need to have a bilateral mastectomy"? I'm going to be strong about this because I disagree. That's an action out of fear. To each his own, so if you've been out there and have done something based on your genetics, there's no judgment here. But what we're saying is that you actually have control over the expression of those genes. So why don't you go into epigenetics for those who don't know what that means and tell us a little primer on epigenetics and why we have more control than we think? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 08:34 Okay. The most important thing—and this is all scientific, so this is not any new age BS here, folks, this is science—I say: "What is it?" The belief that genes turn on and off is a completely false statement because a gene is a blueprint to make a protein. The proteins are the building blocks. Proteins wear out; you have to replace them. So you have to have a blueprint. It's called a gene. I go, "It's a blueprint!" I go, "Why is that relevant?" I say: "Go to an architect's office. She's working on a blueprint. You ask her, 'Hey, is your blueprint on or off?' She would look at you like, 'What are you talking about? There's no on and off to a blueprint.'" I go: "Aha! Aha! A gene is a blueprint. What you want to find out is: Who's the architect who reads the blueprint? The blueprint does not read itself. There's an architect." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 09:24 I saw this in my research in 1967. None of you were probably old enough to know what I'm talking about—1967! But I was cloning stem cells. Let's give the real name of a stem cell: An embryonic cell. It's an embryo's cell. It replaces things that are broken and gets a new one. I go: "So what? I clone the stem cell." I say, "What's that?" I say: "You put one stem cell in the culture dish. And then what? It divides every 10 or 12 hours." So first there's one, then there's 2, then there's 4, 8, and 16. A week later, [there are] 30,000 cells in the petri dish. What's the most important fact? They all came from one parent. I have 30,000 genetically identical cells. I split them into three petri dishes—one, two, three. Each dish has 10,000, 10,000, 10,000, all genetically the same. We grow cells in a culture medium. Ah, this is going to be the tricky part, for when you get this, the world changes. I'm going to come back to it. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 10:27 I say: "A culture medium is what the cells grow in in the lab. And I make it up by putting the chemistry or culture medium. Since I'm creating it, I can change some of the constituents. So I make three different versions of culture medium, A, B, and C." So I say, "So what?" Each one represents a different environment because the cells live in a culture medium. So I say: "Okay, dish one, environment A—the cells form muscle. Dish two, environment B—the cells form bone. Dish three, environment C—the cells form fat cells." I'm doing this experiment. I'm teaching genetic determinism, and I'm watching the cells and going— Dr. Jill 11:10 Wait a second. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 11:11 —"Wait a second, who controlled the activity?" They were all genetically the same. What was different? The environment. The chemistry of the environment selected the genes. The genes did not select themselves. Then, all of a sudden, I said, "Why is this important?" It's a revolution! I'll tell you why. Genetic determinism: Victim. The new science, epigenetics, which I'll explain: Master. Why? Because you control the environment. It's the environment that controls the cells. It's called epigenetics. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 11:48 [There's a] simple reason why the name [is what it is]. What do we call skin? Epidermis. Why? What's under the skin? A layer called dermis. What's the skin above the dermis? Epidermis. Epi: Above. Epigenetics: Control above the genes. I go, "Whoa, the control is not in the genes." I said: "No, it's to control the environment that the genes live in." I go, "Well, wait, I control the environment." Aha! If you control the environment, then you control the genetics. And that's all of a sudden where the new science comes in. The genetic determinism: Victim. Epigenetics: Master. You control your genes. So basically, what I saw back in 1967 was, "The genes didn't make this decision." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 12:48 Now let's just jump ahead a second here because that's a basic science. And then I'm going to give you this, which you're totally aware of: You are a skin-covered petri dish. You have 50 trillion cells under your skin and you have the original culture medium. What is a culture medium? I didn't say it before, but I'll tell you where it is: A laboratory version of blood. When I grow human cells, I concoct a culture medium based on the constituents of human blood or mouse blood, depending on which cells I'm growing. What's the point? You are a skin-covered culture dish with what? The original culture medium. You have the blood. The blood carries the chemistry, which activates the genes. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 13:34 So the first point: Scientifically, it doesn't make a difference if the cell is in a plastic dish or a skin dish? I said, "No, it's the environment." And I say the environment in your body is the blood for the cells. Then come two questions that blow the game into a new evolution. Question number one: What controls the chemistry of the blood? The answer is the brain. It's the chemist. The big one—here it is, hold on: What chemistry should the brain put into the blood? You know what it is? Whatever picture you hold in your mind, the brain translates the picture into complimentary chemistry that matches the picture. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 14:25 I say, "So why is this important?" The picture in your head becomes material in your body. You manifest what you're thinking. I go: "Wait a minute. Would I manifest this life? Would I manifest my cancer?" I go, "Yes." I go, "You say that so affirmatively." I go: "Quantum physics—the most valid science principle number one [is that] the mind is the creator of our experience." I go: "Well, epigenetics is the biological component of that physics mechanism." Epigenetics is how the mind adjusts the genetics of the body. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 15:05 And I go, "We're facing a healthcare crisis on this planet." I go, "Yes, we are facing a healthcare crisis." And I go, "What's responsible?" We put all the money into science. You know what we're looking for? We're looking for the gene—the gene that controls that problem. Guess what? Less than 1% of all diseases on this planet have any connection with genes. Wait, then that means only less than 1% of what we diagnose as disease is connected with genes. I go, "Yes, that's a fact." Then what is really contributing to the worldwide crisis in healthcare? The answer is: Stress is 90% the cause of disease, minimum. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 15:54 I go: "Okay, come on! How could that do that?" Let's give the biology because it's not New Age again. You're ready? When you're in stress, you're in threat. When you're in threat, you engage a protection response. I say, "What is a protection response?" The protection response is: When you perceive stress, you will release stress hormones, adrenal hormones. I go, "Yes, so what?" Well, what do you think the adrenal hormones do? They prepare the body for fight or flight. I go, "So what?" I say: "First of all, there are three stages to take a body from health, happiness, joy—I'm in the garden, I love my life—to 'Ah! A sabertooth tiger's chasing me!'" I say, "So I have to switch from growth, boom, into protection." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 16:41 How does that happen? Three steps. Number one, stress hormones cause the blood vessels in the gut to constrict. Why? Because most of the blood is in the gut. I say, "Who cares?" I say: "Ah, but the blood is a source of energy. So if you need energy, you need blood." So I say, "So what's the point?" I say: "Most of the blood is in the gut, taking care of the body, cleaning, fixing, repairing, nourishing, and doing all those things. But the moment stress hormones come in, the blood vessels squeeze shut. People feel it in the body." "It's queasy. I feel very queasy when I'm in fear like this." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 17:16 I say: "But some people say butterflies in the stomach. Why?" The fluttering of the blood vessels shutting down—you can feel it. And it's a fluttering. And what's happening? The blood is being pushed to the arms and legs, and that's where I need to run away from that damn tiger. So number one, redistribute the blood. Where do I take it from? [From] growth and maintenance to protection. So I'm not funding growth and maintenance when I'm running from the tiger. I go, "No, you're not." Number two, the immune system is to protect me on the inside. If I'm being chased by a saber-toothed tiger, then what's the value of the immune system? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 17:55 I'll give you a scenario. Come on, doctors, listen to this. The patient's got a bacterial infection. They're going to have a real bad case of diarrhea coming up here and they're being chased by a saber-toothed tiger. How would you split the energy of the body? How much to support the immune system and how much of that energy to run away from the saber-toothed tiger? I'll give you a second. Okay, thank you. The answer is, of course, who cares about the immune system? If the tiger chased you, the bacteria are not your problem anymore, that's for sure. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 18:26 Listen, stress hormones shut down the immune system to conserve energy. And you know damn well that when people are sick, sometimes they don't even have the energy to get out of bed because the immune system uses a hell of a lot of energy. If you're being chased by a tiger: I can't support the immune system because if the tiger gets me, who cares about what's happening in the interior?—it's not mine anymore. It's so important—in fact, therapeutic—that when they transplant an organ from person A into person B and they don't want immunological rejection, they give the recipient stress hormones before the operation. That restricts the function of the immune system so it doesn't immediately reject the foreign graft. Ah, so stress hormones are used therapeutically to shut off the immune system. So I say, "Yes, what do you think stress does automatically?" That's number two. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 19:21 Number three, conscious processing is slow compared to reflex behavior. Conscious [processing] is like, "Oh, let me think." Reflex is boom! Boom! Like that. The point is, if you're running from a saber-toothed tiger, conscious processing is going to delay your nervous system because you'll be thinking. When that tiger is coming, guess what? Remember the role of the stress hormone—to squeeze the blood vessels here? They squeeze the blood vessels in the forebrain. I say, "Why?" Because it stops the blood flow from going to the conscious mind. Where's it going? The hindbrain—reflex behavior. Result: We become less intelligent in the fear process. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 20:11 So I say: "Let's put these all together. I shut down growth, I shut down the immune system, and I shut off conscious awareness." I go: "When was that system formed?" "Oh, a couple hundred thousand years ago." I say: "What was it responding to?" "The saber-toothed tiger?" I go: "So what was important?" "If you escape that tiger for five minutes or ten minutes, there's no more saber-toothed tiger, no more stress." So it was used for five to ten minutes. Shut it down [for] five to ten minutes; we'll come back later. In today's world—you know the whole thing—every day, every minute, we're in stress. The system was never designed for chronic stress. It shuts down the vitality, health, and maintenance of the body. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 21:01 The stresses of this world are responsible for over 90% of healthcare crises. This is recognized by the American Psychological Society: 95% of visits to doctors' offices [are] stress-related. I was a programmer. And I'm not proud now because, when I programmed, people used to believe in genetic determinism. I go: "No, no. I was wrong. Epigenetics, okay?" But we've been programmed to be victims. Dr. Jill 21:32 Yes. First of all, I think doctors are starting, at least in my realm of functional/integrative—we're talking epigenetics; we're using this. And I just want to share a personal example to bring home what you just shared. It's so important. Many of my listeners know that at 25, I had breast cancer, then Crohn's disease, and then autoimmunity. I'm the poster child. What I remember very clearly is that in my 30s, I got mold-related toxicity. My immune system was terribly trashed and overactive and I was under high stress. I remember one day walking along and realizing: "This stress that is in my body is actually killing me." I had the mentality [of] "beating cancer," "fighting cancer," "fighting this," "fighting that"—fighting, fighting, fighting—which is your saber-toothed tiger [description]. I was in fight or flight. Dr. Jill 22:16 The day I realized that was the day I realized I could also reprogram my immune system through my thoughts. That day I started thinking [up] a new paradigm, thinking about these little yellow minions being my immune system. They were helping escort mold toxicity out of my body without this fight because, [in] fight or flight, there's no healing. And now, today, I'm healed from that and from mold-related illness and all of this. But it's really that moment when I realized I could change my thought process, change the function of my immune system, recover from Crohn's, cancer, and toxic mold, and no longer fight. Dr. Jill 22:53 And the most important message, as you brought home, is that when I'm sitting with a patient, if they're in fear, if they are in fight or flight, and if they are feeling unsafe in their body, there is no amount of pills, supplements, IVs, nutrition, or even good advice that I can give them… Unless they go to that place of unsafeness, that place of fear, that place where they're still somatically running from the tiger. We have to change that, and it starts with this. Dr. Jill 23:22 So I love, love, love that you framed this. And I just want to give you credit because you've been doing this work for decades before anyone else was talking about it. And now we're seeing it. And finally, doctors in my field are starting to acknowledge and talk about it. But even in my field, functional medicine is a lot about supplements, diet, and lifestyle. That's all great. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 23:40 Well, that's environment! Dr. Jill 23:41 Right? Right. Actually, that's the thing I was going to mention too. My specialty is environmental toxicity, so I know the petri dish of how it affects our bodies. But I do believe, as you're saying, that this reprogramming of our mind… Do you have any stories or examples, maybe from your book, of a patient, client, or somebody who has read your book who really took this and changed from there? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 24:03 I've got hundreds and hundreds of letters from people who've written. There were two things about this. Let me express it even in my personal life. I understood this from a scientific point of view. Man, it was in my laboratory, my research. It was repeatable; I could do this all the time. It took 23 years before science caught up with that observation. I [inaudible] a lot of other things in between to conform. And the reality is that our own understanding about our frailty—it's an understanding. And then I give an understanding of, "No, we're very powerful." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 24:42 I was so happy to go and find an audience of doctors and people: "Let me explain how to create the most wonderful life. Here's the science!" And then they'd come to my lecture and they'd look at me and go: "Lipton, your life doesn't look that good for a guy who says you know this." Oh my God, I was caught. You know what it was? Talking the talk, not walking the talk. I knew the science. It was in my head. Did I make it part of my life? No! I say: "So what was the point? I don't care how smart you are; if you don't make a part of your life, it's irrelevant." Totally! Then all of a sudden, when I caught myself going, "Oh, do as I say, not as I do," it's like, "I can't do that!" So I had to say: "Stop lecturing. Start living your life with the principles you are telling other people. Live this now." How long did it take me to change my life? Oh, within a month, my life was completely on a whole different spectrum. And it was like, "Now, of course, I start talking about it again," because it was real. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 25:47 Let me just give a simple understanding, a scientific understanding, and that is this: The mind is not one thing. "Oh, the mind." I go: "No, not the mind. There are two minds. And they're interdependent, but they have different functions." The conscious mind, the latest evolution: The prefrontal cortex, right behind your forehead, [is] the seat of the conscious mind. What's that? The conscious mind is your source, your personal identity, your spiritual place. What else is it? It's creative! That's what makes humans different than all the other animals. We can take ideas, boom, build them, and create in the conscious mind. What about the subconscious mind? Oh, the original one? Hard drive, programs, habits, stored behavior. Thinking? Uh-uh. Just behavior—program. Dr. Jill 26:38 The subconscious has no way to differentiate truth, right? It does whatever you tell it to do. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 26:44 No, well, the subconscious doesn't do what you tell it to do; it does what it tells it to do. The subconscious is the autopilot. I say, yes, the mind works, but you have to understand that when I'm in the conscious mind, that is the creative side. That's the side with wishes, desires, and aspirations. What do you want? Conscious mind. Subconscious mind: Program. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 27:09 I say, "So what's the issue with our life when it comes down to it?" The monkey wrench that blows the whole thing out is that when the conscious mind is thinking, it's not paying attention to the outer world. A thought is inside. When you're present, your conscious mind is looking at the world and engaging the world. Right now, in front of it, I'm engaging it. But if I'm thinking, my conscious mind is no longer looking out; it's looking in because a thought is on the inside. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 27:38 So I say, "Wait, what if I'm driving the car and I have a thought?" And I've got to tell you, in fact: Then you're not driving the car. "What do you mean? No accident or nothing." I say: "Driving is a program. You don't have to think about driving." In fact, most of the time, if you've been driving for a long time, you never think about the details of driving. It's an automatic behavioral program. It plays when you're not paying attention. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 28:02 I go: "Aha! When the conscious mind is thinking, it's not paying attention to the outer world. Why? It's inside." So I say: Walking, driving, talking, doing your job—hey, those are habits. You've been doing it all—whatever [it is]—for a long period of time. You don't have to re-learn it. It's automatic. Do you even have to think about walking? No, you didn't even have to say: "Oh, I'm going to walk from here to there. I'm going to get that." I say: "Walking is automatic. You don't think about it—program." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 28:37 So then comes the number and this is scientific: Ninety-five percent of the day is the average person's amount of thinking. Then what does that represent? Biologically, only five percent of the day are you creating your life with the conscious mind's wishes and desires. Ninety-five percent of the day your life is coming from programs that you downloaded mainly before age seven. And I go, "Where did I get the programs?" I go: "Before age seven, your brain is not primarily functioning at the level of consciousness, which in EEG terms is alpha, beta, and gamma. When you're under seven, you're operating primarily at theta, which is just below consciousness." Theta—imagination. Hey, the tea party: Pour nothing into the cup. Drink the nothing. "The best tea I ever had in my life!" That's imagination. That's theta. That's what kids do all the time. They can have imaginary friends. They play with them all the time. It's imagination. Theta is hypnosis. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 29:41 I go, "Why is that important?" How many rules does it take to be a member of a family? How many rules does it take to be a member of a community? Now we're talking thousands. I go, "Why is that important?" I said, "Well, teach an infant a thousand rules." I go: "They can't read a book. They can't sit in a classroom. They can't understand a video." I said: "How are they going to learn?" Nature took care of that. Nature gave the first seven years theta, which is hypnosis. You want to know the behavior? Watch your mother, watch your father, watch your community. Watch their behavior; download it. Now it's your behavior! Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 30:19 So the behavior that's in your subconscious mind didn't even come from you, did it? Nope, it came from other people. And did they answer your wishes and desires—what you'd like? Not necessarily. So then, are there programs in there that give you what your wishes and desires are? Not necessarily, no. In fact, I say, "So what about these programs?" Sixty percent of the things you downloaded as a kid—sixty percent of the subconscious programs [are] disempowering, self-sabotaging, and limiting beliefs. And you operate ninety-five percent of the day from them. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 30:53 Ah, but here's the monkey wrench you didn't catch! Why am I using my subconscious programs? Because my conscious mind's not paying attention; it's thinking. Well, then, do you see the programs when they come out? I go: "Nope! You're the only one who doesn't even see the program!" Why? Everybody else around you is responding to your program. You're not even paying attention [to] what the hell is coming out. Sixty percent of it [is] disempowering yourself. So the issue is this: We are not controlling our lives. Our program controls our lives. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 31:28 I say, "Oh, this is a new science." I go: "Scientifically, this is valid. This is understanding theta activity, downloading programs, conscious, subconscious, blah, blah, blah, blah." But the Jesuits knew about programming for 400 years. They would tell their followers, "Give me a child until it is seven, and I will show you the man." Oh my God, that's 100% right! The programming is before age seven, and 95% of the life is the program. They knew it. They created Catholic schools to help the programming go along. And that idea is never lost because if you can watch an infant today, which I've seen carrying an iPad, interacting with a program on a computer, that's far better programming than Jesuits could ever have thought of. Dr. Jill 32:17 Yes, it's clear, isn't it? That's a really good transition because one of the things I see as the biggest crisis in healthcare is environment, but it's environment that is no longer socially interactive or present. We're numbing ourselves out with machines, with iPads, and with phones. They are designed to create an addictive behavior, so they're tapping into some of those subconscious programs, right? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 32:40 And let me just add this to that: It's not just that behavior, but it's also creating disempowering behaviors. So these programs—as you were just going to say, and I'll let you have it back again—were not designed to help us; they were designed to control us. Dr. Jill 33:05 Yes. And sell and control. Yes, so we are pawns in this new world of technology that is neurodynamically designed to be addictive. If you haven't seen The Social Dilemma, that's a great place to start in your education on social media and the impact. I do want to talk about this. One of the things you just got done saying is that before seven, we're programmed. I totally understand and believe that. But the truth is, we have the power to change that programming. Tell us about that. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 33:36 Most everybody out there has changed that programming. I say, "You've already done it." I say: "What, the movie The Matrix, being a documentary, everybody's programmed?" Yes, of course, that's the foundational belief of the movie and the reality. And in the movie, they offered the red pill. And I say: "What was the red pill? You get out of the program!" Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 33:54 I go, "Almost everybody out here right now listening has done that." I say: "What was the consequence? How did it happen?" I'm going to tell you. Falling in love is a red pill. I go, "What do you mean?" Because when you first fall in love, you stop thinking. Biologically, you stay present; you stay in the conscious, creative mind. You've waited for this person your whole life. They're there. What, you want to start thinking and then ignore them? Are you kidding me? You stay up conscious. You stay mindful. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 34:23 I say, "So what happened?" I say: "Your life up to meeting that person: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You meet them [and] 24 hours later: 'Oh, man, life is beautiful. Life is so wonderful. Hey, the food's really good. That music is even better than I ever thought it was.'" And even the crappy job is not so crappy. I said: "What'd you do?" You made honeymoon. What's honeymoon? Heaven on earth. I said, "What was your heaven on earth?" Whatever you wished and desired. You and a partner coming together when you're both wishing and desiring, you're sharing the same wishes and desires, you manifest a honeymoon. Oops, I dropped something, but okay. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 35:01 Is the honeymoon already there? I go, "The honeymoon's always there." I said, "Then how come you don't have it?" Because when you start thinking, you then go back to subconscious control, the default. And the problem is, why do 50% of marriages end up in divorce? The answer is this: Marriage has started with the relationship of two conscious creative minds sharing together a belief in creating a honeymoon, and it ends when thinking enters into the people and they start playing their regular programs, which are 60% negative. The partner hears these programs. The one saying the thing doesn't hear it; the other one hears it. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 35:43 I love the response. When somebody comes out in a relationship and the loving partner hears some kind of BS come out of their other partner, they look at them and go: "Who are you? Where did you come from?" What? It was never part of the behavior. And then, all of a sudden, it shows up. And the more thinking, the more that negativity shows up. There's a point where a partner will say: "That's enough. That's not why I signed up here. I signed up because we had a great honeymoon." After you started thinking, this thing went right down the tube. The point is, that's what reality is about. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 36:18 So the idea then becomes simple, which is the obvious thing: "What if I created all programs that represented my wishes and desires—if I had those programs?" I said: "Oh, you know what? Whether you're consciously creating those wishes and desires or your conscious mind is off in left field, your subconscious will be manifesting the wishes and desires. And guess what? A honeymoon is not a short period. A honeymoon is every day of your life for as long as you live." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 36:46 Does it work? Personally, I had some very bad programming when I was young because my mother and father had a dysfunctional relationship. I downloaded my father's dysfunctional behavior. I played it when I couldn't see it. The result is that I couldn't get relationships off the ground. Then I understood the nature of the programming. Then I understand the nature of reprogramming. Around 50, I met my partner, Margaret. We just celebrated 28 years! And I'm not selling just a relationship; I'm talking honeymoon for 28 years. To wake up every day in my life and go: "Oh my God, I'm still here. Oh my God, I have another day to smell the roses, to have a piece of cake, to enjoy the love, watch the environment, and love my life." I celebrate life. Jill celebrates life. What's the result? Where's the illness? What illness? Dr. Jill 37:45 Yes! I love that. There are some points that I think are so crucial that you just made, number one, being present with our partners, watching them in real time and observing them. So often we create a program of them, a template, and then we don't expect them to change. Or, we expect them to behave the same. And when we're in real time, present with another person—whether it's a friend, family member, business associate, or lover—we can respond in real time. And that's part of that co-creation that you're talking about. It's crucial. Dr. Jill 38:15 The other thing is that with illness, I find one thing that was—I'm sure this is related to the program, [and] I'd love your comments—I never identified with the cancer. I never became the cancer. I never made that part of who I was. Even now, I'm like, "Oh yes, 20 years ago, I had cancer." And of course, it's real, but it's almost foreign because it was never part of me. And I really believe that's a huge part of why I overcame a very, very aggressive cancer at the age of 25—because it never was my identity. Do you want to talk about that a little bit? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 38:44 Yes, let's just talk about this. The first thing is that I'm going to give a fact of science [to] which [a person might say], "He really said that?" And I'm going to say, yes, I'm going to say this. There's not one gene that causes cancer. There's not a gene [where], "You have this gene, you get cancer." The one scary one for women, of course, [is] the breast cancer gene. I go, "So what?" I go: "Women who carry the breast cancer gene don't necessarily have to have cancer. As a matter of fact, nearly half of them don't get cancer. But they have the gene." So then I say, "Then where did the cancer come from?"—because those who have the cancer with the gene and those who are healthy with the gene have the same gene. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 39:20 What's the difference? The answer is this: Cancer is correlated with a gene, not caused by a gene. Cancer is caused by disharmony in the system. Disharmony is the source of disease. Harmony is the source of health. Disharmony means your programming wasn't really good, and you're responding to things in a negative way that is going to cause a breakdown of the system. That's where the stress comes into it. So the concept is this: The image—even if once you tell a woman, "Yes, you have the breast cancer gene," what the hell image do you think is going to be in her head? The answer is: Cancer. I go: "Yes, but isn't the function of the mind to take the image of the head and turn it into reality?" I go, "Absolutely! What's the consequence?" Ninety percent of cancer has no genetic linkage at all. Dr. Jill 40:14 Yes. That was the biggest question I got as a 25-year-old. Every single person, to a T: "Oh, did you have genes?" No, I didn't have genes. I had a dysfunctional system when I was in my 20s. That goes into a whole other lecture that I could give, but I was not living consciously. And there were some things, stress-wise, that were contributing. And it was the environmental toxic load. So all of these things are the petri dish. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 40:38 And more than that, there must have been the two programs. Eighty to ninety percent of all people will not test positive for two beliefs. Number one, and I think the most important, is the belief, "I love myself." Eighty percent of people will not test positive for that belief. Number two, and this is the one where the healthcare crisis comes from: "I am safe." When you have a picture of fear, then the chemistry of fear is to manifest the fear. When they say "This is it" and [show you] a picture of the tumor and everything, then you make the chemistry of the tumor. Then the idea is that we have to own quantum physics. Consciousness is the source of our life experiences. We have to understand the nature of epigenetics. Consciousness is the source of what controls our genes. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 41:07 The third thing that I think is part of the Renaissance that we really must emphasize at some point is Newtonian physics, which separates physical from non-physical, matter versus energy. It's an illusion. It's not real. But it programs us in a very bad way because the program says: "Whatever is made out of matter can only be affected by matter. Whatever is made out of energy can only be affected by energy." And I say, "So what's the consequence?" I say: "The body is matter. And what do you think the whole foundation of the pharmaceutical company is? The body is matter and we make the matter to fix the matter." Dr. Jill 42:16 Yes. What's the matter with that? [laughs] Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 42:18 Three hundred thousand people die in the US every year from prescription drugs, that's what's the matter with it, when less than 50,000—I think 30,000—people die from illegal drugs. We have a war on illegal drugs, and 300,000 people dying from pharmaceutical drugs is called the cost of doing medicine. I go: "That's damn expensive! We don't need that." Simple law of science: If a drug works, it only works because you already had a receptor for that drug on you. Do you think nature put receptors on cells, waiting for the pharmaceutical company to make a drug? No, come on, man! If you have a receptor for a drug, it's because you have a receptor for a drug that you make. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 43:01 I go, "I can make any drug." Of course, because any drug works because you have a receptor to connect it. If you have a receptor, then you obviously have a signal that will bind to that receptor. Then you say, "Well, it's not working." And that's where everything gets screwed up because that system isn't working and then you go right away: "Oh, the body is defective. The genes aren't working right. There's an interference with the physical." I go, "Yes, there was an interference because it didn't start down here; it started up here." And once you start to understand this, yes, treat the body if there's an immediate need to treat the body, but the process of treating the patient is treating this part. Knowledge is power. They do not have the knowledge of who they are. They're programmed [to think]: "I'm a victim of my genes and I have no power." I go, "Well, there's your problem." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 43:54 And the issue about it is that you guys are in the front of the evolution that says: Okay, I can treat the patient, but I've really got to treat the consciousness of the patient. Why? Because, as quantum physics says, consciousness is the source of this creativity, and as epigenetics says, consciousness is the source of this expression. You cannot leave that out. Dr. Jill 44:18 You just talked about two beliefs that I think are critical and it's a great place to kind of wrap up. The first one is: Do we love ourselves? Do we really, really, truly love and accept ourselves? I have written a book and done a movie on that message. The heart of healing is: How do we show self-compassion and love? Because that is the only way that our cells will respond in health. Dr. Jill 44:41 The second thing was so crucial too, and that is the fear and the unsafety. This is where a physician in the office can make all the difference, because if they add to that fear message, guess what? That's just adding to that patient's unhealth. So one thing we are obligated to do as physicians is create a safe environment and teach that patient how to start to feel safe in their body. With those two beliefs, maybe in the last couple of minutes here, could you maybe give us some practical advice for somebody who's like: "How do I start doing that, Bruce? How do I feel safe in my body? And how do I love myself?" Because that, I couldn't agree more with you, is really the core message here. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 45:19 I'll tell you, let's get right to the root of why people do not love themselves. The answer is: Because parents act like coaches on a sports team. I go, "What does that mean?" A player isn't doing well. What does the coach say? "Oh, do better." No! The coach says: "That's not good enough. Who do you think you are? You don't deserve to be on this team." Well, a player is older than seven. They're in consciousness. They understand that the coach is saying, "You better do better!" Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 45:47 Now let's say the parent is the coach and the kid is under seven. There's no consciousness operating. What's operating? Hypnosis, programming. So when the father says, "That's not good enough, you don't deserve this, you're not lovable, you don't belong," blah, blah, blah—acting like the coach who says, "This is going to make them do better"—if the kid is under seven, you just programmed them to self-sabotage because the subconscious is going to create 95% of their life. And if I get a program "I do not deserve," when I'm thinking 95% of the day, what the hell program is running? "I do not deserve." So I could say something so stupid in my corporate structure or something, and somebody says, "That guy doesn't deserve to be here." And then, all of a sudden, I'm kicked out of the structure. Why? Because I myself made behavior to conform to "not good enough" and to not love myself. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 46:41 This is why that one's so important—because if you can't love yourself, I'm going to be honest, you can't accept love from somebody else. I go, "Why?" Because they say they love you, but in your mind, you're going: "Well, they don't know me, man. I know I'm not lovable." And you'll push them away. And then you'll find yourself with nobody around. And guess what you'll say? "You see?! I'm not lovable!" [inaudible] You just did that. And when it comes to "Do I have any power?" the answer is: No, it has been systematically deprived of them. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 46:59 I've got a minute; I've got to say this because this is really cool. There's a power struggle in the world. It's always been this way. There are three levels of power. Number one, caveman. Who's the biggest badass with the biggest club? Whatever they say, do it. They've got the power. Evolution came along. There are people then who control the resources that you need. And all of a sudden they say, "If you want those resources, you've got to give me something for this." And you know what? The ones who had the resources paid the caveman to hit you over the head if you didn't pay for the resources. Dr. Jill 47:53 A personal hitman. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 47:55 That's the king who owns the resources with an army of cavemen. Then I say, "But the last of the power struggles came down to 'knowledge is power.'" And it was recognized that, yes, that is the supreme power of everything. Knowledge is power. The first thing the church of Rome did was acknowledge: "We are the source of infallible knowledge. We are the source of truth. We say it; it's true." Well, you say, "I don't care." The point about it was that people gave up their power to the belief. And I say it here very quickly: There's a code behind the power brokers. I call it the powermongers' credo. I say, "What is it?" Are you ready? Give them the fear for free and then sell them the antidote. Dr. Jill (pre-recording) 48:46 Hey, everybody. I just stopped by to let you know that my new book, Unexpected: Finding Resilience through Functional Medicine, Science, and Faith, is now available for order wherever you purchase books. In this book, I share my own journey of overcoming a life-threatening illness and the tools, tips, tricks, hope, and resilience I found along the way. This book includes practical advice for things like cancer and Crohn's disease and other autoimmune conditions, infections like Lyme or Epstein-Barr, and mold- and biotoxin-related illnesses. What I really hope is that as you read this book, you find transformational wisdom for health and healing. If you want to get your own copy, stop by ReadUnexpected.com. There, you can also collect your free bonuses. So grab your copy today and begin your own transformational journey through functional medicine and finding resilience. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 50:59 "What do you want me to do? Put a mask on? Sure. I'll mask on. I can't visit my mom, who's dying in a nursing home?" "No, you have to give that up because you can't do that." "Really?" Dr. Jill 51:09 Yes. If you're controlled, then fear created the biology of illness. It really, really is a great analogy. Bruce, this has been so fun to dive deep. I love talking to you. I love your enthusiasm. I love your wisdom. And I love most of all that you were so far ahead of the curve because people are kind of coming along to this belief. But the truth is, you were one of the very first ones writing and talking about this. And I'm just grateful that way back in the day, in the lab, you saw this and started writing about it. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 51:44 I can't be any happier than I am for myself! I have a different life! I have a different life than before that discovery. Dr. Jill 51:53 Yes. And it transforms us all, too. I have many stories, the same thing, of me continuing to transform because of this knowledge. Thank you for the work that you do. 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