In Episode #96, Dr. Jill interviews Sharon Hausman-Cohen of IntellxxDNA on Genomics and Personalized Medicine. Learn why the latest advances in testing is opening new frontiers for understanding and treatment of autism, depression, anxiety and cognitive decline.
Key Points
- Why testing genetic polymorphisms and SNPs can be the key to cracking the code in difficult cases
- Examples of personalized approaches to depression, anxiety and cognitive decline
- New frontiers and testing for treatment of autistic spectrum disorders
Our Guest – Sharon Hausman-Cohen
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen is the chief medical officer and head of research for IntellxxDNA. She and her IntellxxDNA team have developed a platform that makes genomics actionable for integrative and functional medicine clinicians. The genomics platform is being used across the United States and in Australia to particularly improve outcomes in brain related disorders including individuals with memory loss of all causes, autism and mental health concerns. Recent publications focus on her work with reversal of cognitive decline (co-author on study done by Dr. Bredesen and colleagues) as well as on improving outcomes in children with autism and the genomics related environmentally acquired illness. Dr. Hausman-Cohen is board certified in family and integrative medicine. She obtained both her master’s degree and medical degree from Harvard medical school.
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#96: Dr. Jill interviews Sharon Hausman-Cohen on Genomics and Personalized Medicine
Dr. Jill 00:12
Hey, everybody! Good afternoon and thank you for joining us again for Dr. Jill Live. A little bit of housekeeping and then I'll introduce our guest for today. First of all, thank you all for your responses, donations, and everything. With the wildfires, it's been amazing to see the community respond. We've been able to give away some free air filters donated by different companies and products. I want to thank you all in the community. Even listeners all over the nation have reached out to me and said: “How can I help?” It's been really precious to feel the support of everybody out there.
Dr. Jill 00:43
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Dr. Jill 01:20
Today I have a guest I've had before, and we had a great conversation. I know today will be no different. Sharon Hausman is the Chief Medical Officer and Head of Research for IntellxxDNA. We're going to be talking about some specific testing today. She's founded a company. But like I say, with products and services, I only talk to people whose product and service I believe in. I'll talk today a little bit about my experience using IntellxxDNA. It's a profound help for these chronic, complex cases. I love Sharon for her desire to get the details out there and be research-driven.
Dr. Jill 01:57
She and her team have developed a platform that makes genetics actionable for integrative and functional medicine. I keep commenting on the bio, but I want to say that what so often happens is that you guys might have brought in these 400-page reports to your doctor and you completely overwhelm them. We love the data but it's not very actionable. That's one thing I love about IntellxxDNA: We have very specific data-driven, research-based things that we can do about it. There's no sense in having all the data if there's nothing you can do about it. I know, Sharon, you'll agree.
Dr. Jill 02:29
This platform is being used across the US and in Australia, particularly to improve outcomes in brain-related disorders—we'll talk a lot about that today—including memory loss, autism, and mental health concerns. That's been one of my experiences, as well—some of these tough cases [such as] OCD, anxiety, insomnia, depression, and autism and spectrum disorders. Recent publications focus on her work with the reversal of cognitive decline—she co-authored a study done by Dale Bredesen and colleagues—as well as on improving outcomes in children with autism, which we'll talk about today too, and genomic-related environmentally acquired illness. As you all know, I love to talk about mold and how it affects us. We'll dive into that today too.
Dr. Jill 03:14
She is board-certified in family and integrative medicine. She obtained both her master's degree and medical degree from Harvard Medical School. Welcome, Sharon! I'm so glad to have you here again.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 03:24
It's so great to be back! Thank you for having me again, Jill.
Dr. Jill 03:27
You're so welcome. Let's talk a little bit about the basics on IntellxxDNA. What is it? I want to be clear, and then you can talk about this: It is a doctor-ordered test. If you're out there as a patient, you can ask your doctor to sign up and get this for you, but you can't order it yourself. Tell us a little bit about the background of the company and maybe even a little bit about your story and getting into this field.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 03:49
Yes. Before I was a physician, I worked in research because I thought I was going to become a PhD. I did a lot of different kinds of research, but part of it was genetic research. Long story short, I didn't like spending my whole life on one little pathway. So I became a family physician, which is the opposite of a PhD. We specialize in people [from] birth to death. Nothing too broad. [giggles] But I always knew I'd go back to research. After the 23andMe revolution, patients would come to me and say: “Can you use my DNA to help me figure out how not to get Alzheimer's”—I did a lot of brain science—”how not to get heart disease, and how to help with my mood issues?” All of that.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 04:32
There was really no product out there designed for physicians. There were things that you could say, “You might do better with a little bit more vitamin E,” “vitamin A,” or “B12.” But [there was] nothing that said: “How come I am having high blood sugar when no one in my family had it?” “How come I'm having memory loss?—because I don't have that ApoE4 gene that people talk about.” “How come when I get exposed to mold, I have all this brain fog but my husband can walk into the same building and have no problems?” So we started to build this tool. Then I also met a wonderful scientist from Australia who is doing similar kinds of work, trying to figure out how she could use people's DNA to untangle autism. Her name is Dr. Heather Way. We also joined forces and built our autism report.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 05:29
Our specialty is the brain. But we're the company that is driven by physicians' needs—and naturopaths, nurse practitioners, and PAs—[for] clinicians to say: When I have this patient in front of me and they're a mystery, give me some clues as to how I can help them in terms of dietary things and supplements. Even medications might be beneficial to them at times. And what are the root causes causing one person to be so susceptible to these environmental factors and somebody else not to be susceptible?
Dr. Jill 06:03
I love that concise description of what's going on because, as a clinician, you bring that knowledge of clinical experience and the kinds of questions that we have. You come with this base of understanding, like, “What do we need as clinicians?” Number one, the complexity can be overwhelming. I get stacks of new patients that are inches and inches thick. They're like, “Is this too much?” I'm like: “No. I love data; I love complexity.” However, genetics have been a consistent source of overwhelm because there's no way to go through [them] in a visit a lot of times, [due to] the way other reports and things are brought to us.
Dr. Jill 06:37
So I love how you distill the information [and] how useful [it is]. And we'll talk in a second about the new things. But I know you have a new way of doing your platform—the next version—and it's even better than before as far as bringing to light the key points. In my experience, I tend to track the super complex chronic people who've been everywhere and done everything. And I love that. I love being a detective. But with that, it also brings very unique genetic polymorphisms. Maybe they're one in a hundred, one in a thousand, or one in a million. Because of that, sometimes these pieces that I found through your test have been game-changers in the clinical outcomes, which for the layperson means people get better when I know what to do.
Dr. Jill 07:17
And it's very specific. For example, someone with very severe fatigue, muscle weakness, and OCD ended up having a thyroid conversion issue and another issue with dopamine metabolism that affected the predisposition towards mood disorders. Another patient had an issue. She was trying a certain diet and then we found out she was really susceptible to glucose as a trigger for inflammation so we got her off glucose and low-carb. It made all the difference. While those things are fairly practical, you wouldn't have known what to do in that case without that data. So when I got to a stuck point with these patients, I did your test. It got me unstuck and the patient made massive changes.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 07:58
Yes. And I think that's the fun. It's because you have this patient and they come with these weird symptoms. And, of course, we do have these reports. We'll have one report that we call ‘Brain Optimization'. That's geared at cognitive decline, whether it's from classic things like ApoE4—so much more—or classic things that contribute to Alzheimer's versus low oxygen to the brain, or brain ischemia, versus environmental illness, like not being able to clear pollutants. But we also have all these inflammatory pathways, detox pathways, and nutrient pathways.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 08:30
And sometimes I'll have someone who's a mystery that has nothing to do with one of our topics in the report. I had a woman who came to me. She's a makeup artist in the film industry, so she's doing body and face makeup. She has her hand go into these huge spasms and then the brush will drop. Literally, the actor will have to catch her brush. She doesn't want to lose her job but, of course, she also wants to be able to feel better. She gets her toes and hands curling up. I was trying the classic things like potassium and magnesium.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 09:03
You mentioned our new report. Our new report sorts and puts the less common variants at the top. At the top of her report, she was in the 1% of the population that could not recycle CoQ10 to its active form or vitamin E. It was really interesting. I was like: “Let's try one thing. Let's try going high on CoQ10 and vitamin E this week.” Within two days, those hand and foot spasms were gone. Ironically, she did call me [and say] that she got a stomach ache because the form of CoQ10 I gave her had a soy product and she's very allergic to soy. But we fixed that. She was like: “I got this stomach ache that felt like soy.” But that was easy.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 09:49
It was amazing because we had been trying to figure out these spasms for months. But then, when we looked at that—we call them ‘hot spot reports'—we were like: “Well, let's address these. We haven't addressed this.” It was better in two days. Not everybody gets that instantaneous response. But with the hotspot report and the way that we now have it sorted—by addressing those 5, 10, or 15 SNPs that are highlighted as the most important because they're less common—we often get improvement in things we wouldn't expect. You think about how magnesium is related to relaxing muscles. But it's really important for mood, attention, and focus. So if you're bad at making it, it makes a big difference.
Dr. Jill 10:34
I love that. Let's talk a little for the layperson who's listening. First of all, the thing that you're testing is these differences in base pairs and how they express a protein, an enzyme, or something. You're looking at the genetics. The other thing I want to talk about is: What is it that we're testing? The second thing is: You mentioned this 0.1% chance or whatever. Why is it that those unique mutations are the things that usually make a difference in the outcome? Do you want to talk a little about those two things?
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 11:07
Yes. I'm laughing because this afternoon my co-founder and I were having lunch and she was saying: “One question I think that people are going to ask is, ‘Why aren't the common variants that are more important?'” You guys pretty much think alike. The way I think about it is that everybody has these changes. They're called SNPs. I always say that SNPs sound like they should be a little piece of cloth, but they stand for a single nucleotide—or a single little letter in your DNA—polymorphism, or a variant or change. When you make that change, it sometimes has very minimal effects on function and sometimes has profound effects. For example, the one I was talking about with recycling CoQ10 is in the NQO1 pathway. Two copies of it, which are only found in 1% of the population, decrease your ability to recycle CoQ10 by 98%. That's a big deal.
Dr. Jill 12:06
Wow, massive! In my mind, as you're telling me, it's like the needle in the haystack. Describing my experience, it was like: “What's the needle I'm missing? I could be a brilliant clinician, but I can't find that needle.”
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 12:18
It takes a long time with trial and error. The reason we look for these less common things is because they're going to help you solve those medical mysteries. Something that is found in 47% of the population is not likely causing a problem that's unique. If you look at our cardiac report, there's a gene that promotes people to have hardening of the arteries—calcium buildup in their arteries. One copy of that gene is really common—45% of the population. Two copies—20-something percent of the population. But think of the prevalence of heart disease; it is like 20% of the population. That's a more common gene. But when I talk to my doctors—we do have doctors that deal with more common problems [such as] heart disease, diabetes, thyroid, and obesity—they use our report because it helps optimize health.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 13:08
But when I talked to the doctors who are dealing with mold and who are dealing with complex illness, those are the doctors who are taking care of the patients who were told they were crazy. It's because that doctor goes: “Well, I've been in a moldy building and I'm fine. So why should it be bothering you? You must be oversensitive,” or you must be crazy. They don't say crazy, but they go: “Oh, you're sensitive to things.” Then the patient leaves, feeling it's their fault. It's true they're sensitive to things, but it's not because they're being emotional. It's because they're in that 1%, 2%, or even 5% of the population that has gene variants—a change in their DNA—and they can't properly kick out those mold toxins. Or, they can't properly defend, for example, against Lyme disease when they're first exposed to it. So they get a higher burden, which gives them a higher chance of having it persist.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 14:04
What we're learning is that as we understand the root causes—the things that make people different—we can then come up with targeted ways of helping them to support themselves. There are hundreds of options at any supplement store for what you can do. But this is kind of saying: “If I'm only going to use five things, what are going to be the five that help me the most?”
Dr. Jill 14:28
I love that. And thank you so much for making it so clear, because I'm sure if you're not a physician, you're like: What are you talking about? What does this mean? It's good because we have a lot of clinicians who listen too, and I'm sure that they will enjoy this episode as well. Like you said, this is a test that is ordered by your physician. Any physician can sign up, is that correct?
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 14:48
Yes. There's no cost for a physician to have an account. In medicine, we talk about the rate-limiting step. I think the one thing that physicians need to know is that none of us got a good genomics education in medical school, nurse practitioner training, or even naturopathic training. We encourage anyone to sign up. But know that in order to use it effectively, you do have to say: “I'm going to dedicate a weekend to really learning this.” We do have a great training platform—we call it Genomics University—where they can learn and get started. And we will, for all your Dr. Jill listeners, be happy to give them complimentary access to the learning platform when they order their first report. But it is not worthwhile for a physician to sign up and go: “I can skip the learning platform. I don't have to do it. I'm really smart. I'm going to be able to do it.”
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 15:47
I've trained lots of super-smart doctors and everybody finds that the learning platform helps them get the hang of it. Even though in our tool, next to the gene function and next to the gene variant, we say: This is how this gene works; here's why it's clinically significant; here are ways that you can have potential interventions. By having the Genomics University and going through case studies and seeing how it fits in and how to use the tool, you don't get overwhelmed and go: “Do I have to look at 600 things?” No, absolutely not. You want to focus on the top six panels or the top six things. But if we didn't have 600 things, we wouldn't work for most humans who have problems that make them unique; we would only work for the person who has no problems.
Dr. Jill 16:35
I love that. And I'll attest to that too. We were talking before this. I've done a few of the courses. It's on my list. The whole thing was that we had to get my book in. And now I can have time to learn and do these things. But it has been on top of my list, Sharon, for a while—to go through that in depth. I've done a few modules. I highly recommend that, and I love that. If you're a patient listening and you're like, “I'm really interested,” you will have to ask your physician to order this or to get an account. But it's free. It's not going to cost you anything and it's not difficult.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 17:05
Right. One of the things we realize about genomics is that it is so new. Physicians like to do things well. Why would we do something and go, “I don't know how to do this but I'll do it”? So we have a mentoring program that is also free where we walk you through your first three reports so that you can get the same great success with your first patient as you do with your 30th. There's nothing to be afraid of. I do some of the walkthroughs. My research staff helps me with some of the others. Once you've done four or five, you're going to be really hooked. It's so much more fun to practice medicine when you are able to figure out what's going on than to go, “Well, maybe this will work.” Even for people who have high blood pressure and get labeled treatment-resistant hypertension, it's not that there's something wrong with them that's different; it's that you're not addressing the root cause.
Dr. Jill 17:59
I love that! And like I said, I can attest to that as well. You've been amazing at helping me walk through my first reports! I felt this massive ‘Aha!' Like: “Wow, this is important information!” And really, now we're competing against machines. In our society, technology and AI are going in that direction. If you're a clinician listening, I'm going to tell you something really important here: If you don't up your ante and your game and do complex things, machines are going to replace us. I have no doubt. We already have all kinds of AI apps that are doing basic primary care, which is crazy to me but it's true. And this would give you a tool to be an expert in your field because you're going to have data and information that you may not have access to with the routine CBC and CMP and our routine blood panels.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 18:46
Yes. With blood work, we can get 10, 20, or 30 data points. With genomics, you can get hundreds or thousands of data points. Tens of thousands eventually. We're still building the tool for so many other things. I think it's also, for me and most of the clinicians I've talked to, so satisfying to take something that people say you can't treat. We have a publication coming out for example. It's a publication done in three different offices of case studies with people with cognitive decline. All of the people in this publication happen to have ApoE4. So you go: “Oh, well, they have ApoE4. There's nothing you can really do.” But by looking for the other underlying contributing ideologies that these people had, we were able… I say ‘we' but I was purposely not one of the treating physicians. From a non-biased standpoint, when we do publications, I want the cases to be from other doctor's offices. But the physicians were able to get huge gains in cognitive improvement. And they were all different reasons.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 19:49
One person had problems with their nitric oxide pathways. For your patients who are listening or your laypeople, nitric oxide is what makes blood vessels open up from small to big. If your blood vessels are clamped down in your brain, then you're not going to get enough oxygen to the brain. Then things were done, including hyperbaric oxygen for this patient. There was a tremendous improvement in their cognition. Also, other pathways were addressed. Another person had problems where he had fibrinogen too high in his blood and blood too thick. The doctor was able to see that. He also had some other problems in different pathways. I'm oversimplifying. They gave things like lumbrokinase—which is something that thins the blood—and pycnogenol and addressed all these other issues. And the patient did much better.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 20:45
The third patient had already been accepted into an Alzheimer's study because she had a positive amyloid PET scan. She's an APOE4/4. She had a lot of problems with gluten sensitivity that she did not know about and with detox issues. We gave her things to help support her glutathione. Glutathione is the master paper towel of our brain. It picks up all the toxins and helps you get rid of them. We taught her how to eat in a gluten-free way. We addressed other things. There were some vitamin pathways. We can't change the fact that she's an APOE4/4, but instead of having a 21 on her cognition score, she has a score of 27. That's really different—21 is the borderline between Alzheimer's and having a mild cognitive impairment, and 27 is the bottom of normal. That's a huge difference in terms of function.
Dr. Jill 21:47
That's amazing! And I love how each of those had this one thing where we would say, “They're all in one bucket,” but they're really not. You separated them out, and we're able to do individual variations.
Dr. Jill 21:56
Let's talk briefly about an environmental illness which a lot of my listeners deal with. I always say functional medicine can be simplified into infectious burden and toxic load. Of course, there are other little variations, like inflammation driven by those. But at its core, most of the stuff we deal with is environmental toxins and infectious burden. There's a lot of evidence now that post-COVID, some of the long-haul is related to viral reactivation and certain subsets of T cells that are impaired after COVID and maybe long-term. There are all these kinds of things. Let's talk [about] environmentally acquired illness. It could be Lyme, mold, or some of these things. What are some of the things you see that might differentiate someone with mold-related cognitive brain fog, depression, or anxiety? What are some of the variants you might see in these kinds of cases?
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 22:50
That's a great question, Jill. The way I like to think of it is that I'll think of a couple of my mold patients and how they were different. There are a lot of things that can contribute to brain fog and mold. We see this clinically. With one person, they might have variants that make them have higher reactivity to their allergic system.
Dr. Jill 23:11
Histamine, right?
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 23:13
Yes. There are certain vitamin D receptors that activate the mast cells. There are certain inflammatory interleukins. Some of the different interleukins will go down different pathways, but one of the interleukin pathways triggers mast cell activation. I had one patient—she had heavy, heavy mast cell [activation] and also a pathway that triggered microglial inflammation. That pathway is really rare. It's only in about 0.2% to 0.5% of the population. For our listeners who are going, “What's a microglia?” microglia are the garbage collectors of your brain. An immune cell that's supposed to get rid of waste products in the brain. But they can also trigger inflammation and can also relate to chronic fatigue and your response to viruses. You can address microglia with things like green tea extract. You can address it with low-dose naltrexone. You can address the mast cell-type things with quercetin, luteolin, and things like Singulair. But also quail egg protein, for example. The things that helped her were in one category.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 24:29
And then in the same month, we had another woman who had bad mold issues in her family. The first person got more of the POTS picture, problems with blood pressure and heart [rate] going fast and all those symptoms, because that's what that combination led to. The second person was the one who got such brain fog and fatigue… You know how some of the mold patients don't want to get out of bed and can't do anything? It can mimic depression. They feel like, “I can't do anything!” In the second person with that, her issues were more mitochondrial. When your mitochondria are off, you have no energy. That's your backup energy source. She also had some major detox issues. But there are a whole lot of different detox issues. Hers related to what we call efflux transporters. I will explain that.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 25:26
Efflux transporters are, simply put, the bouncers. The bouncers in your brain are supposed to be able to recognize stuff that doesn't belong there and kick it out. There are certain bouncer gene variants that help recognize some of those different mold toxins and say: Get out of my brain. They kick it back out of the blood-brain barrier. She had two variants in her bouncer genes, so she got that tired thing. For her, things like KPAX [were used], which is a mitochondrial support vitamin. There's ATP 360—you probably have other suggestions—or ATP Fuel that helped her build her mitochondria up. Things that help: Lots of CoQ10. For the detox pathways, lots of sulforaphane, which is from three-day-old broccoli sprouts. But you can't just eat broccoli.
Dr. Jill 26:18
I think one cap is two pounds of broccoli. Yes, it's pretty hard to get that amount every day.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 26:23
Yes. So we use the Johns Hopkins version of that instead—what they used in the studies with autism. I think that there are all these different things. You go to a mold website, read, [and say to yourself]: “Oh, EGCG, sulforaphane, and clay can help you. And this can help you. And magnesium can help you. And mitochondrial supplements and CoQ10.” And you're like: “Well, what do I start with?”
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 26:48
So both of those people are well. They were both some of my first patients. They're now supporting other colleagues, friends, and people when they get mold. But they're living their lives. In fact, the woman who had the mast cell [activation] and the microglia [inflammation], when I asked her if somebody who was stressed over her new diagnosis of mold illness could talk to her—because she had to live in a trailer for over a year while she was redoing her house—she said: “Yes. I almost forgot about those years.”
Dr. Jill 27:18
Right. Oh, I love it! That's amazing.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 27:20
Selective memory.
Dr. Jill 27:21
Yes. You can kind of pass through. I love that. It makes so much sense. In my personal experience, I have all kinds of weird genetic things. There are some glutathione issues. But it really did help, even for me. I was someone who didn't tolerate a lot of glutathione. I would oxidize it. Everybody says glutathione, but for me, that made it worse. The same with NAD, this powerhouse of a nutrient we love. I crash and burn if I have a very narrow window. I can do a little but I deplete methyl donors and crash if I do too much. That's one thing.
Dr. Jill 27:52
I have a platelet issue so a lot of these inflammatory disorders make my blood thicker, like your person with the fibrin. I'm more prone to clotting. I've noticed that at different times in those interventions. And then you mentioned nitric oxide. I'm on the other spectrum, where I produce too much. I'm in like a 0.01% variant. I've noticed I get hypotensive—blood pressure like 85/55—when I get a mold exposure. So it makes a ton of sense.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 28:18
So do I.
Dr. Jill 28:19
Yes, exactly.
So let's talk a little bit about autism. A lot of patients and people have friends and family that [have it]. I think it's above 25% now in some areas. I don't know what the percentages are. But there's a very, very large percentage of autism diagnosed. What can you find there? What are some of the stories that you've seen?
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 28:40
Well, I wouldn't have been willing to talk about autism until about six months ago because we were still testing. One of the things we do at IntellxxDNA is, when we build a report, we kind of go: “Okay, this gene has been associated with autism. This gene has been associated with autism.” We put them all together. We figure out how the gene works and how you should be able to address it. But we don't release the panels or train physicians on them until a group of expert physicians on the topic have used the panel and say: “Yes, it's ready to go. It's working.” We are now feeling excited about the fact that all of our alpha testers have said: “This is helping tremendously.” And we do have a publication. At the end, I'll be happy to show people where they can access that on our website with some of the initial cases that come out of Australia.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 29:34
[It's about] looking at some of those root causes, whether they be problems with how the brain hooks together—that's called brain plasticity—or problems with neurotransmitters, [like] how you handle dopamine, norepinephrine, and adrenaline. Or problems with nutrients like magnesium and folic acid, things that make you predisposed to glutathione problems or gut problems—all of those contribute to autism. Mitochondria as well.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 30:07
There are some fun cases. There's one case of a young man who's given me permission to talk about his case. He is the first case in our publication that came out last year in the Journal of Personalized Medicine. He is a young man who was diagnosed with profound autism at age two. He was nonverbal. His mother worked with him extensively and then became a nutritionist so that she could help her son. She got some benefit by going gluten-free, dairy-free, and all of that. But on a score of 1 to 100+, having a low score—like a normal neurotypical child with a score of less than 20—her son had a score of 114 when first tested on the ATEC.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 30:58
She met Dr. Way in Australia, who was our initial alpha tester. They got his score to 71. It was still so much better. And that was by getting rid of inflammation, addressing gut issues, and all of that. But then they got our genomics a few years later. They retested him. He was still at 71. They were able to understand why he was having some brain plasticity issues. That particular gene needed huge amounts of zinc to help overcome it. Oxytocin and melatonin helped overcome it. They addressed that. They addressed some mitochondrial issues that he had. They addressed other issues and particular kinds of inflammation, [such as] one that responded to sulforaphane.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 31:40
The long story short is that a year later, this young man had his IQ go up 20 points. He was mainstreamed instead of being in a special school because of that. He was able to speak so much better because it wasn't that he had that low of an IQ; he was locked in there because of some of the plasticity issues. He got a job in a cafe. He got a driver's license. He eventually saved up money and bought a car. He is now helping his mother with her online platform and has taken some pre-college courses in botany. He was wetting his bed every night and now he's not.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 32:23
That's an extreme case. But I just got an email from a patient who I have been helping. I have only had one visit so far with his son, who was already in mainstream school and doing well. The father said: “With the changes you've made, my son used to answer one-word sentences like ‘Okay.'” He gave the example of [when] they saw Girl Scout cookies for sale. The father said: “We'll get Girl Scout cookies another time.” Instead of the son saying ‘No,' ‘Why?' or something like that, he said: “But why? They're here right now.” He's speaking in full sentences when he used to answer questions with one word.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 33:09
That's with one visit. We added about five things. We changed what he was doing and added about five things. I'm really excited about that work. I do have to warn you, if you are a family member or a parent, that the work just finished its alpha testing, which means we only have coverage in about 15 states in the United States right now. We are training a whole new group of doctors in March. If you are a clinician and want to get trained, we would love to train you. Reach out to us. If you want to learn more about that, you can go to our website and email information. But unless you're in one of the states where we have a doctor trained, there may be a slight wait. But you can nominate your doctor.
Dr. Jill 33:56
Yes. And give me the website for your company because people are asking. I want to put that in right now. If you're listening, I'll put that in, and you'll see it below if you're watching this recorded.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 34:06
And I do want to say that it's really important that IntellxxDNA is not meant to diagnose a disease. We're not looking at pathogenic variants. There are some children with autism or some people with Alzheimer's who have what's called a pathogenic variant. We're not looking for that. What we're looking at are common variants. We don't look at the one-in-a-million variants. We look at the things that are found in about 0.5% of the population and up. Those are considered common in geneticist terms. They would not even show up in a whole genomic sequencing report because they're not pathogenic. They don't cause disease.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 34:48
But when you combine somebody who can't stop inflammation or who makes too much brain inflammation with different insults, like you mentioned, environmental… For example, there's some evidence that sometimes tick-borne illness can be a trigger for autism. There is all kinds of fascinating research. That's not a common cause, but it definitely is out there. We're looking at common variants. But looking at 20 or 30 common variants together could cause problems. That's more the child who's born and seems pretty neurotypical and then regresses. Those kids do really well with genomics. Or, in some cases, many of the children who are born with autism will still make significant improvements—they may not quite get to ‘neurotypical'—when you address their nutrients, their gut, their brain plasticity, and brain chemicals. Does that make sense?
Dr. Jill 35:46
One hundred percent. I love how you framed that because we still do this great functional medicine baseline. We do the diet, the lifestyle, and the basic nutrients. This has been my experience, too. And maybe we should be doing it for everybody sooner, but you do the basics and then this is the detailed work—like extracting the details out of the needle in the haystack kind of example—where the real things might make a difference in this particular personalized approach.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 36:17
Yes. That's what we call the ‘Clinical Decision Support Tool'. Just like pharmacogenomics, a doctor might order a test to go: “What medicines do you metabolize well, and which ones do you need to be more careful with?” This is the same principle. A physician or healthcare provider orders it to say: “Let me better understand what might be part of the root cause.” Then the physician or clinician makes the decision: “What makes the most sense for my patient?”—because we'll give a number of choices of things that might work on that pathway. And they go: “I think for this history and this going on, I'm going to try” X, Y, and Z.
Dr. Jill 36:53
Yes. What I love too is that there are sometimes medications that are appropriate, but you also include all kinds of research-based recommendations for nutrients, whether it's a vitamin or mineral or whether it's something like broccoli extract, resveratrol, or whatever we're doing.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 37:09
I think that's a really good point. I think that's one thing that differentiates us from other genomic tools as well as other people's work in this space. Because we're a clinical decision support tool, by definition, every single sentence in our report has to have a reference. If we say sulforaphane might be an intervention for the interleukin 1 beta gene in autism, we have to have evidence not only that the interleukin 1 beta gene variant has been associated with autism, but that sulforaphane has been shown to cross the blood-brain barrier and help in outcomes in autism. We don't put just anything in the report.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 37:48
I have doctors all the time come and say: Have you considered putting such and such in the report? We're always happy to add new interventions. I say: “Send me the reference showing where it helps and the mechanisms.” Then we vet it and then we can add it. Then we have discussions of the interventions and the dosing in the studies so that physicians can know: Is the study done on an adult or a child? What were the outcomes? [They can find out] a little bit more about what's going on.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 38:20
Sometimes, in the autism part of the study, they will have animal models. Then they will have done human safety studies on adults. But they won't have biopsied the brain to see if it decreased the inflammation. It's frowned upon to biopsy children's brains. [laughter]
Dr. Jill 38:38
Yes! [laughs] I was going to say that that's the thing that I think differentiates you and what you're doing from a lot of the other ones out there. I won't name any names, but we were talking about that before, where there are some recommendations, but it's all based on hypothesis and not on clinical evidence. I think that's a slippery slope. It can be tricky.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 38:59
Yes. And because of my research background—because I thought I was going to become a PhD those couple of years at Harvard doing my master's degree—I really understood what we need to do in the clinical process to prove to the scientific community that something makes sense. My ultimate goal is that we go through all the levels of clinical trials needed so that there's very, very clear evidence that this is a great approach for precision medicine. We are at different levels of those kinds of studies with different topics.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 39:35
We're supporting a study on autism that will start in March on the East Coast. I don't want to give too many details about it yet. But it's not being done through IntellxxDNA. It's being done through an organization that is in the autism world. I have to get their permission to say who it is. But I will let you know, Jill, if you can do it—because they're always looking for people to help support their research—and then we can post that.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 40:03
Then, we're going to do some more prospective study work in the cognition field. We are working with some physicians to get more case studies and publications in the mental health field as well. During COVID, depression and anxiety have been huge. Being able to help people untangle why they tend to get so much more anxious than somebody else has been really beneficial.
Dr. Jill 40:27
Yes, gosh, we were briefly talking before we got on here: I think it's about a 400% increase in prescriptions for SSRIs during COVID. That just shows you the state of, I think, fatigue and stress and all these things that are contributing. Often, like you said, if there's a threshold where life is pretty good and everything's going well, they may not hit that genetic tipping point where they become depressed. But there have been so many stressors and so much going on—isolation—during COVID that I think a lot of people have hit that tipping point. And with the testing that you do, you can find out what is causing that. Is it a nutrient? Is it inflammation?
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 41:03
Yes. And at the top of both the depression and anxiety panels… I keep referring to these panels. Our report is a collection of about 20 panels. All of our reports are going to have what I call functional medicine basics—things relating to nutrients, inflammation, detox, and the gut. But then they'll have particular panels relating to the topic. In our mental wellness panel, we're going to have depression, anxiety, OCD, addiction, and those kinds of things. PANS/PANDAS—we have neurodevelopment. We have all kinds of topics.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 41:36
In our depression and anxiety panel, one of the serotonin transporters is at the top. It does make people have like 2.4 times or 140 times the risk of depression. Those people might respond really well to pushing serotonin, but that's not everyone. Even those people might also have problems with certain amino acids or problems with cortisol. So I think that it's really helpful to look for the underlying root causes. Particularly if somebody has started on a serotonin medicine and they're like, “I'm not fully well” or “I'm not getting better at all,” then you go: “Maybe serotonin is not your issue.” There are a lot of things that contribute to depression.
Dr. Jill 42:22
Yes. I love that. And at the core, this is helping us do personalized medicine. I love that. That's what most of us doing integrative personalized and functional medicine want—to have that personalized approach.
Dr. Jill 42:36
First of all, I put your website in the links here, and we'll have it. Wherever you're watching or hearing this, you'll have a link to find the website. But let's talk about: If you're a patient, what do you do if you want this test? Or, if you're a clinician. Talk about those two groups and give people resources on how they can get connected.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 42:52
Can I share my screen and then show some things on the website?
Dr. Jill 42:56
Yes, absolutely. One second here. I'll get you up. Okay, all set.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 43:01
Okay. So let me share here. This is our IntellxxDNA website. That's the homepage. If you are a clinician, click on ‘Clinicians', and you can request a demo, request an account, or ask your questions. If you're a patient, click on the patient one. It'll help you find a provider that's licensed in your state and give you more information. If you want to learn more, if you click on our podcast and video page, you'll see Dr. Jill from our last talk right up at the top. But there are some different podcasts and videos that you can watch. This is with Dr. Bredesen. This is with Dr. Perlmutter. I was scheduled to do another one with Dr. Perlmutter, but we had to delay it. It will be soon. And if you are someone who wants to read more science, you can read some of the publications. So that's where I would recommend [going]. Just hop on our website. Please, do not call. We are a small team. It is much easier for us, if you don't mind, if you email or go through the website to reach out for information.
Dr. Jill 44:09
And for those listening who aren't in front of their computers, spell out your website. Just give us the website for those listening.
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 44:18
It's www.IntellxxDNA.com. The way to remember it is that it's an intelligent approach to DNA. ‘Intell' from Intelligent, the ‘xx' because the co-founders are two women—the two X chromosomes—and then ‘DNA'.
Dr. Jill 44:37
I love it. I didn't even know that, and I've known you and the company for a while. Sharon, as always, it's such a pleasure. I love what you're doing. We'll have to update again in six months or a year because I'm sure there'll be new things coming out. Thanks for the work that you're doing in the world and for this great tool that we have!
Dr. Sharon Hausman-Cohen 44:55
Thank you again for having me, Jill! It's always a pleasure.
![204: Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill: Can our Minds Spontaneously Transform our Health? Bruce Lipton Dr. Jill 00:00 Hey guys, I am so excited to announce that the movie that you've been waiting for, the documentary Doctor/Patient, is now available for rent or purchase at DoctorPatientMovie.com. Check out the trailer here. 00:13 Dr. Jill: When I really knew something was wrong, was when I started having trouble walking up the stairs. I was supposed to be grateful and happy and healing and well and thriving, but I did not feel that way. I was so sick. Like always, I wanted to find an answer, and I had to figure it out. And I had to figure it out to save my own life. So I dove in. 00:38 James Maskell: Jill is the leading voice in biotoxin illness and chronic conditions that are driven by toxicity. 00:43 Bree Argetsinger: Oh my gosh, you're dealing with mold? You have to work with Dr. Jill Carnahan. 00:47 Patient 1: Dr. Jill is the first person that actually began to shed some light on the problem. 00:53 Dr. Jill: What I do is listen to the patient, and we together talk about what else is possible. 00:59 Patient 2: I don't know why I'm crying. 01:02 Patient 3: She saved my life. 01:06 Dr. Jill: The deepest lessons and most profound insights come in the suffering, come in the dark moments. Self-compassion is the healing transition that shifts something inside of us. It's actually the thing that we need most in order to heal. 01:26 Narrator: Doctor/Patient—available now at DoctorPatientMovie.com. Dr. Jill 01:36 Hey, welcome to Resiliency Radio, your go-to podcast for cutting-edge insights in functional and integrative medicine. I'm your host, Dr. Jill. In each episode, we dive into the heart of healing and personal transformation. Join us as we connect with renowned experts, thought leaders, and innovators who are at the forefront of medical research, empowering you with knowledge and wisdom to overcome illness in your journey to optimal health. Dr. Jill 02:02 Hey guys, if you don't already know, if you've been around me at all, you know my movie, Doctor/Patient is now out. You can view it, share it, gift it, or rent it at DoctorPatientMovie.com. Be sure to check it out and then I would love to hear your feedback after you've had a chance to watch it. Dr. Jill 02:19 Today, I am deeply honored to have guest Bruce Lipton here with me. He's a PhD, a cell biologist, a lecturer, and an internationally recognized leader in bridging science and spirit. We were just talking before we came on about how he has been a leader [for] decades before a lot of us in functional/integrative medicine came along. And I am so excited! If you're a doctor listening—and I know I have a lot of audience there—you are in for a treat. If you're a patient, you're also in for a treat. Stay tuned. Dr. Jill 02:47 Bruce was on the faculty of the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and later performed groundbreaking stem cell research at Stanford University. He's a best-selling author of The Biology of Belief—if you haven't read that book, it's a classic now—The Honeymoon Effect, and the co-author with Steve Bhaerman of Spontaneous Evolution. Bruce received his prestigious 2009 Goi Peace Award from Japan in honor of his scientific contribution to world harmony. Bruce, it is a true honor and delight to have you here! Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 03:17 Jill, I am a happy person to be here because this audience that I get a chance to talk to, to me, is a very important audience. These are the cultural creatives that are paving the way for the future that we need to get into very soon because we're facing an evolutionary upheaval at this very moment. Whether you watch the news, surf the web, or even look out your window, the whole planet has experienced chaos at every level of it. People are focusing on the little chaos, like focusing on the trees, without pulling back to see the biggest thing that's happening and nobody's saying the words. NASA—Let me just say NASA's words. NASA has recognized that within the next 20 years, civilization is facing—and this is my emphasis here—an irreversible collapse. The reason is so mathematically simple. Let me give the math. Dr. Jill 04:16 Sure. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 04:17 Science has recognized that to continue living just the way we're living—just say, let's every day live the way we're living today on this planet—it takes 1.6 planet Earths to provide the resources for today's civilization. The simple math is this: There's one Earth subtracted from 1.6, and we're recognizing: "Where the hell are we getting the extra points?" Dr. Jill 04:39 We're in a deficit. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 04:40 And that deficit is leading to the destruction of the web of life. We have to also recognize this: Even though the Bible is giving us some fanciful story that nature was created and then humans were added on top of nature—no, we evolved from nature. We are nature. If nature goes down, humans go down, because we are part of this web of life. Our separation in our consciousness [that causes us to believe] that we can dominate nature, I say, "How's that working?" I say, "We're facing an extinction." That's a biological reality at this moment. It's called a mass extinction. It happened five times in the history of this planet: Life was thriving, [then] mass extinction. It knocked it all out and then it started again. We are there because of our behavior. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 05:33 And I say, "Our behavior is based on our consciousness." I go: "Okay, wait a second. Is that New Age?" I go: "No, let's stop. No New Age here at this moment." [In] 1927—day one, quantum physics—Max Planck, the founding father of quantum physics, states: "The mind is the creator of our life experiences." Quantum physics—the most valid of all the sciences today in the sense of its predictions and accuracy. Quantum physics. And it's still the belief in quantum physics: Consciousness is controlling this. And I go: "So if consciousness is controlling this, then why are we in such a mess?" The answer is: We have been programmed, and the programming has disempowered us all. It has disempowered us as patients. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 06:28 I go: "I'll give you a program that disempowers you right now." I say, "What is it?" "It's called genetic determinism." That was what I was teaching in medical school: Genes control the character of life. I go: "Did we pick the genes as far as we know? No. But if we don't like the characters we have, can we change the genes? No, can't do that." And then let's just add a little tidbit: Genes turn on and off by themselves. And I say: "You put those together and what have you done? You have told the patients that their lives are not in their control, they're controlled by their heredity, and that they're victims of heredity. Which is victims of what? Genetics. And what does a person know about genetics? Nothing. Who does know something? The doctor. Aha! The program is: When it comes to health, people do not trust themselves." They say: "I need an expert opinion. I'm not knowledgeable." They accept the truth from somebody else. Dr. Jill 07:28 I so love the direction that you're going here because, as a physician, one of the most important things I can do is empower the patient and make sure that they don't think that I am the end-all-be-all. [I want them to know] that we are collaborating and that I listen to them, and I say: "How do you feel about this treatment plan? Where do you want to go?" Granted, if I have wisdom, I can give them that information, but they still get to make that decision. But so many patients are outsourcing that wisdom to someone. Or, at least paternalistically and historically, that has been the way. And what we need to do is take control of our own health. Dr. Jill 08:00 How many patients have gone through a loved one with breast cancer—I'm a breast cancer survivor, so I can speak on this—and they're told, "You have the BRCA gene and you need to have a bilateral mastectomy"? I'm going to be strong about this because I disagree. That's an action out of fear. To each his own, so if you've been out there and have done something based on your genetics, there's no judgment here. But what we're saying is that you actually have control over the expression of those genes. So why don't you go into epigenetics for those who don't know what that means and tell us a little primer on epigenetics and why we have more control than we think? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 08:34 Okay. The most important thing—and this is all scientific, so this is not any new age BS here, folks, this is science—I say: "What is it?" The belief that genes turn on and off is a completely false statement because a gene is a blueprint to make a protein. The proteins are the building blocks. Proteins wear out; you have to replace them. So you have to have a blueprint. It's called a gene. I go, "It's a blueprint!" I go, "Why is that relevant?" I say: "Go to an architect's office. She's working on a blueprint. You ask her, 'Hey, is your blueprint on or off?' She would look at you like, 'What are you talking about? There's no on and off to a blueprint.'" I go: "Aha! Aha! A gene is a blueprint. What you want to find out is: Who's the architect who reads the blueprint? The blueprint does not read itself. There's an architect." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 09:24 I saw this in my research in 1967. None of you were probably old enough to know what I'm talking about—1967! But I was cloning stem cells. Let's give the real name of a stem cell: An embryonic cell. It's an embryo's cell. It replaces things that are broken and gets a new one. I go: "So what? I clone the stem cell." I say, "What's that?" I say: "You put one stem cell in the culture dish. And then what? It divides every 10 or 12 hours." So first there's one, then there's 2, then there's 4, 8, and 16. A week later, [there are] 30,000 cells in the petri dish. What's the most important fact? They all came from one parent. I have 30,000 genetically identical cells. I split them into three petri dishes—one, two, three. Each dish has 10,000, 10,000, 10,000, all genetically the same. We grow cells in a culture medium. Ah, this is going to be the tricky part, for when you get this, the world changes. I'm going to come back to it. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 10:27 I say: "A culture medium is what the cells grow in in the lab. And I make it up by putting the chemistry or culture medium. Since I'm creating it, I can change some of the constituents. So I make three different versions of culture medium, A, B, and C." So I say, "So what?" Each one represents a different environment because the cells live in a culture medium. So I say: "Okay, dish one, environment A—the cells form muscle. Dish two, environment B—the cells form bone. Dish three, environment C—the cells form fat cells." I'm doing this experiment. I'm teaching genetic determinism, and I'm watching the cells and going— Dr. Jill 11:10 Wait a second. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 11:11 —"Wait a second, who controlled the activity?" They were all genetically the same. What was different? The environment. The chemistry of the environment selected the genes. The genes did not select themselves. Then, all of a sudden, I said, "Why is this important?" It's a revolution! I'll tell you why. Genetic determinism: Victim. The new science, epigenetics, which I'll explain: Master. Why? Because you control the environment. It's the environment that controls the cells. It's called epigenetics. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 11:48 [There's a] simple reason why the name [is what it is]. What do we call skin? Epidermis. Why? What's under the skin? A layer called dermis. What's the skin above the dermis? Epidermis. Epi: Above. Epigenetics: Control above the genes. I go, "Whoa, the control is not in the genes." I said: "No, it's to control the environment that the genes live in." I go, "Well, wait, I control the environment." Aha! If you control the environment, then you control the genetics. And that's all of a sudden where the new science comes in. The genetic determinism: Victim. Epigenetics: Master. You control your genes. So basically, what I saw back in 1967 was, "The genes didn't make this decision." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 12:48 Now let's just jump ahead a second here because that's a basic science. And then I'm going to give you this, which you're totally aware of: You are a skin-covered petri dish. You have 50 trillion cells under your skin and you have the original culture medium. What is a culture medium? I didn't say it before, but I'll tell you where it is: A laboratory version of blood. When I grow human cells, I concoct a culture medium based on the constituents of human blood or mouse blood, depending on which cells I'm growing. What's the point? You are a skin-covered culture dish with what? The original culture medium. You have the blood. The blood carries the chemistry, which activates the genes. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 13:34 So the first point: Scientifically, it doesn't make a difference if the cell is in a plastic dish or a skin dish? I said, "No, it's the environment." And I say the environment in your body is the blood for the cells. Then come two questions that blow the game into a new evolution. Question number one: What controls the chemistry of the blood? The answer is the brain. It's the chemist. The big one—here it is, hold on: What chemistry should the brain put into the blood? You know what it is? Whatever picture you hold in your mind, the brain translates the picture into complimentary chemistry that matches the picture. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 14:25 I say, "So why is this important?" The picture in your head becomes material in your body. You manifest what you're thinking. I go: "Wait a minute. Would I manifest this life? Would I manifest my cancer?" I go, "Yes." I go, "You say that so affirmatively." I go: "Quantum physics—the most valid science principle number one [is that] the mind is the creator of our experience." I go: "Well, epigenetics is the biological component of that physics mechanism." Epigenetics is how the mind adjusts the genetics of the body. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 15:05 And I go, "We're facing a healthcare crisis on this planet." I go, "Yes, we are facing a healthcare crisis." And I go, "What's responsible?" We put all the money into science. You know what we're looking for? We're looking for the gene—the gene that controls that problem. Guess what? Less than 1% of all diseases on this planet have any connection with genes. Wait, then that means only less than 1% of what we diagnose as disease is connected with genes. I go, "Yes, that's a fact." Then what is really contributing to the worldwide crisis in healthcare? The answer is: Stress is 90% the cause of disease, minimum. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 15:54 I go: "Okay, come on! How could that do that?" Let's give the biology because it's not New Age again. You're ready? When you're in stress, you're in threat. When you're in threat, you engage a protection response. I say, "What is a protection response?" The protection response is: When you perceive stress, you will release stress hormones, adrenal hormones. I go, "Yes, so what?" Well, what do you think the adrenal hormones do? They prepare the body for fight or flight. I go, "So what?" I say: "First of all, there are three stages to take a body from health, happiness, joy—I'm in the garden, I love my life—to 'Ah! A sabertooth tiger's chasing me!'" I say, "So I have to switch from growth, boom, into protection." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 16:41 How does that happen? Three steps. Number one, stress hormones cause the blood vessels in the gut to constrict. Why? Because most of the blood is in the gut. I say, "Who cares?" I say: "Ah, but the blood is a source of energy. So if you need energy, you need blood." So I say, "So what's the point?" I say: "Most of the blood is in the gut, taking care of the body, cleaning, fixing, repairing, nourishing, and doing all those things. But the moment stress hormones come in, the blood vessels squeeze shut. People feel it in the body." "It's queasy. I feel very queasy when I'm in fear like this." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 17:16 I say: "But some people say butterflies in the stomach. Why?" The fluttering of the blood vessels shutting down—you can feel it. And it's a fluttering. And what's happening? The blood is being pushed to the arms and legs, and that's where I need to run away from that damn tiger. So number one, redistribute the blood. Where do I take it from? [From] growth and maintenance to protection. So I'm not funding growth and maintenance when I'm running from the tiger. I go, "No, you're not." Number two, the immune system is to protect me on the inside. If I'm being chased by a saber-toothed tiger, then what's the value of the immune system? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 17:55 I'll give you a scenario. Come on, doctors, listen to this. The patient's got a bacterial infection. They're going to have a real bad case of diarrhea coming up here and they're being chased by a saber-toothed tiger. How would you split the energy of the body? How much to support the immune system and how much of that energy to run away from the saber-toothed tiger? I'll give you a second. Okay, thank you. The answer is, of course, who cares about the immune system? If the tiger chased you, the bacteria are not your problem anymore, that's for sure. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 18:26 Listen, stress hormones shut down the immune system to conserve energy. And you know damn well that when people are sick, sometimes they don't even have the energy to get out of bed because the immune system uses a hell of a lot of energy. If you're being chased by a tiger: I can't support the immune system because if the tiger gets me, who cares about what's happening in the interior?—it's not mine anymore. It's so important—in fact, therapeutic—that when they transplant an organ from person A into person B and they don't want immunological rejection, they give the recipient stress hormones before the operation. That restricts the function of the immune system so it doesn't immediately reject the foreign graft. Ah, so stress hormones are used therapeutically to shut off the immune system. So I say, "Yes, what do you think stress does automatically?" That's number two. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 19:21 Number three, conscious processing is slow compared to reflex behavior. Conscious [processing] is like, "Oh, let me think." Reflex is boom! Boom! Like that. The point is, if you're running from a saber-toothed tiger, conscious processing is going to delay your nervous system because you'll be thinking. When that tiger is coming, guess what? Remember the role of the stress hormone—to squeeze the blood vessels here? They squeeze the blood vessels in the forebrain. I say, "Why?" Because it stops the blood flow from going to the conscious mind. Where's it going? The hindbrain—reflex behavior. Result: We become less intelligent in the fear process. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 20:11 So I say: "Let's put these all together. I shut down growth, I shut down the immune system, and I shut off conscious awareness." I go: "When was that system formed?" "Oh, a couple hundred thousand years ago." I say: "What was it responding to?" "The saber-toothed tiger?" I go: "So what was important?" "If you escape that tiger for five minutes or ten minutes, there's no more saber-toothed tiger, no more stress." So it was used for five to ten minutes. Shut it down [for] five to ten minutes; we'll come back later. In today's world—you know the whole thing—every day, every minute, we're in stress. The system was never designed for chronic stress. It shuts down the vitality, health, and maintenance of the body. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 21:01 The stresses of this world are responsible for over 90% of healthcare crises. This is recognized by the American Psychological Society: 95% of visits to doctors' offices [are] stress-related. I was a programmer. And I'm not proud now because, when I programmed, people used to believe in genetic determinism. I go: "No, no. I was wrong. Epigenetics, okay?" But we've been programmed to be victims. Dr. Jill 21:32 Yes. First of all, I think doctors are starting, at least in my realm of functional/integrative—we're talking epigenetics; we're using this. And I just want to share a personal example to bring home what you just shared. It's so important. Many of my listeners know that at 25, I had breast cancer, then Crohn's disease, and then autoimmunity. I'm the poster child. What I remember very clearly is that in my 30s, I got mold-related toxicity. My immune system was terribly trashed and overactive and I was under high stress. I remember one day walking along and realizing: "This stress that is in my body is actually killing me." I had the mentality [of] "beating cancer," "fighting cancer," "fighting this," "fighting that"—fighting, fighting, fighting—which is your saber-toothed tiger [description]. I was in fight or flight. Dr. Jill 22:16 The day I realized that was the day I realized I could also reprogram my immune system through my thoughts. That day I started thinking [up] a new paradigm, thinking about these little yellow minions being my immune system. They were helping escort mold toxicity out of my body without this fight because, [in] fight or flight, there's no healing. And now, today, I'm healed from that and from mold-related illness and all of this. But it's really that moment when I realized I could change my thought process, change the function of my immune system, recover from Crohn's, cancer, and toxic mold, and no longer fight. Dr. Jill 22:53 And the most important message, as you brought home, is that when I'm sitting with a patient, if they're in fear, if they are in fight or flight, and if they are feeling unsafe in their body, there is no amount of pills, supplements, IVs, nutrition, or even good advice that I can give them… Unless they go to that place of unsafeness, that place of fear, that place where they're still somatically running from the tiger. We have to change that, and it starts with this. Dr. Jill 23:22 So I love, love, love that you framed this. And I just want to give you credit because you've been doing this work for decades before anyone else was talking about it. And now we're seeing it. And finally, doctors in my field are starting to acknowledge and talk about it. But even in my field, functional medicine is a lot about supplements, diet, and lifestyle. That's all great. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 23:40 Well, that's environment! Dr. Jill 23:41 Right? Right. Actually, that's the thing I was going to mention too. My specialty is environmental toxicity, so I know the petri dish of how it affects our bodies. But I do believe, as you're saying, that this reprogramming of our mind… Do you have any stories or examples, maybe from your book, of a patient, client, or somebody who has read your book who really took this and changed from there? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 24:03 I've got hundreds and hundreds of letters from people who've written. There were two things about this. Let me express it even in my personal life. I understood this from a scientific point of view. Man, it was in my laboratory, my research. It was repeatable; I could do this all the time. It took 23 years before science caught up with that observation. I [inaudible] a lot of other things in between to conform. And the reality is that our own understanding about our frailty—it's an understanding. And then I give an understanding of, "No, we're very powerful." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 24:42 I was so happy to go and find an audience of doctors and people: "Let me explain how to create the most wonderful life. Here's the science!" And then they'd come to my lecture and they'd look at me and go: "Lipton, your life doesn't look that good for a guy who says you know this." Oh my God, I was caught. You know what it was? Talking the talk, not walking the talk. I knew the science. It was in my head. Did I make it part of my life? No! I say: "So what was the point? I don't care how smart you are; if you don't make a part of your life, it's irrelevant." Totally! Then all of a sudden, when I caught myself going, "Oh, do as I say, not as I do," it's like, "I can't do that!" So I had to say: "Stop lecturing. Start living your life with the principles you are telling other people. Live this now." How long did it take me to change my life? Oh, within a month, my life was completely on a whole different spectrum. And it was like, "Now, of course, I start talking about it again," because it was real. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 25:47 Let me just give a simple understanding, a scientific understanding, and that is this: The mind is not one thing. "Oh, the mind." I go: "No, not the mind. There are two minds. And they're interdependent, but they have different functions." The conscious mind, the latest evolution: The prefrontal cortex, right behind your forehead, [is] the seat of the conscious mind. What's that? The conscious mind is your source, your personal identity, your spiritual place. What else is it? It's creative! That's what makes humans different than all the other animals. We can take ideas, boom, build them, and create in the conscious mind. What about the subconscious mind? Oh, the original one? Hard drive, programs, habits, stored behavior. Thinking? Uh-uh. Just behavior—program. Dr. Jill 26:38 The subconscious has no way to differentiate truth, right? It does whatever you tell it to do. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 26:44 No, well, the subconscious doesn't do what you tell it to do; it does what it tells it to do. The subconscious is the autopilot. I say, yes, the mind works, but you have to understand that when I'm in the conscious mind, that is the creative side. That's the side with wishes, desires, and aspirations. What do you want? Conscious mind. Subconscious mind: Program. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 27:09 I say, "So what's the issue with our life when it comes down to it?" The monkey wrench that blows the whole thing out is that when the conscious mind is thinking, it's not paying attention to the outer world. A thought is inside. When you're present, your conscious mind is looking at the world and engaging the world. Right now, in front of it, I'm engaging it. But if I'm thinking, my conscious mind is no longer looking out; it's looking in because a thought is on the inside. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 27:38 So I say, "Wait, what if I'm driving the car and I have a thought?" And I've got to tell you, in fact: Then you're not driving the car. "What do you mean? No accident or nothing." I say: "Driving is a program. You don't have to think about driving." In fact, most of the time, if you've been driving for a long time, you never think about the details of driving. It's an automatic behavioral program. It plays when you're not paying attention. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 28:02 I go: "Aha! When the conscious mind is thinking, it's not paying attention to the outer world. Why? It's inside." So I say: Walking, driving, talking, doing your job—hey, those are habits. You've been doing it all—whatever [it is]—for a long period of time. You don't have to re-learn it. It's automatic. Do you even have to think about walking? No, you didn't even have to say: "Oh, I'm going to walk from here to there. I'm going to get that." I say: "Walking is automatic. You don't think about it—program." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 28:37 So then comes the number and this is scientific: Ninety-five percent of the day is the average person's amount of thinking. Then what does that represent? Biologically, only five percent of the day are you creating your life with the conscious mind's wishes and desires. Ninety-five percent of the day your life is coming from programs that you downloaded mainly before age seven. And I go, "Where did I get the programs?" I go: "Before age seven, your brain is not primarily functioning at the level of consciousness, which in EEG terms is alpha, beta, and gamma. When you're under seven, you're operating primarily at theta, which is just below consciousness." Theta—imagination. Hey, the tea party: Pour nothing into the cup. Drink the nothing. "The best tea I ever had in my life!" That's imagination. That's theta. That's what kids do all the time. They can have imaginary friends. They play with them all the time. It's imagination. Theta is hypnosis. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 29:41 I go, "Why is that important?" How many rules does it take to be a member of a family? How many rules does it take to be a member of a community? Now we're talking thousands. I go, "Why is that important?" I said, "Well, teach an infant a thousand rules." I go: "They can't read a book. They can't sit in a classroom. They can't understand a video." I said: "How are they going to learn?" Nature took care of that. Nature gave the first seven years theta, which is hypnosis. You want to know the behavior? Watch your mother, watch your father, watch your community. Watch their behavior; download it. Now it's your behavior! Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 30:19 So the behavior that's in your subconscious mind didn't even come from you, did it? Nope, it came from other people. And did they answer your wishes and desires—what you'd like? Not necessarily. So then, are there programs in there that give you what your wishes and desires are? Not necessarily, no. In fact, I say, "So what about these programs?" Sixty percent of the things you downloaded as a kid—sixty percent of the subconscious programs [are] disempowering, self-sabotaging, and limiting beliefs. And you operate ninety-five percent of the day from them. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 30:53 Ah, but here's the monkey wrench you didn't catch! Why am I using my subconscious programs? Because my conscious mind's not paying attention; it's thinking. Well, then, do you see the programs when they come out? I go: "Nope! You're the only one who doesn't even see the program!" Why? Everybody else around you is responding to your program. You're not even paying attention [to] what the hell is coming out. Sixty percent of it [is] disempowering yourself. So the issue is this: We are not controlling our lives. Our program controls our lives. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 31:28 I say, "Oh, this is a new science." I go: "Scientifically, this is valid. This is understanding theta activity, downloading programs, conscious, subconscious, blah, blah, blah, blah." But the Jesuits knew about programming for 400 years. They would tell their followers, "Give me a child until it is seven, and I will show you the man." Oh my God, that's 100% right! The programming is before age seven, and 95% of the life is the program. They knew it. They created Catholic schools to help the programming go along. And that idea is never lost because if you can watch an infant today, which I've seen carrying an iPad, interacting with a program on a computer, that's far better programming than Jesuits could ever have thought of. Dr. Jill 32:17 Yes, it's clear, isn't it? That's a really good transition because one of the things I see as the biggest crisis in healthcare is environment, but it's environment that is no longer socially interactive or present. We're numbing ourselves out with machines, with iPads, and with phones. They are designed to create an addictive behavior, so they're tapping into some of those subconscious programs, right? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 32:40 And let me just add this to that: It's not just that behavior, but it's also creating disempowering behaviors. So these programs—as you were just going to say, and I'll let you have it back again—were not designed to help us; they were designed to control us. Dr. Jill 33:05 Yes. And sell and control. Yes, so we are pawns in this new world of technology that is neurodynamically designed to be addictive. If you haven't seen The Social Dilemma, that's a great place to start in your education on social media and the impact. I do want to talk about this. One of the things you just got done saying is that before seven, we're programmed. I totally understand and believe that. But the truth is, we have the power to change that programming. Tell us about that. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 33:36 Most everybody out there has changed that programming. I say, "You've already done it." I say: "What, the movie The Matrix, being a documentary, everybody's programmed?" Yes, of course, that's the foundational belief of the movie and the reality. And in the movie, they offered the red pill. And I say: "What was the red pill? You get out of the program!" Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 33:54 I go, "Almost everybody out here right now listening has done that." I say: "What was the consequence? How did it happen?" I'm going to tell you. Falling in love is a red pill. I go, "What do you mean?" Because when you first fall in love, you stop thinking. Biologically, you stay present; you stay in the conscious, creative mind. You've waited for this person your whole life. They're there. What, you want to start thinking and then ignore them? Are you kidding me? You stay up conscious. You stay mindful. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 34:23 I say, "So what happened?" I say: "Your life up to meeting that person: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You meet them [and] 24 hours later: 'Oh, man, life is beautiful. Life is so wonderful. Hey, the food's really good. That music is even better than I ever thought it was.'" And even the crappy job is not so crappy. I said: "What'd you do?" You made honeymoon. What's honeymoon? Heaven on earth. I said, "What was your heaven on earth?" Whatever you wished and desired. You and a partner coming together when you're both wishing and desiring, you're sharing the same wishes and desires, you manifest a honeymoon. Oops, I dropped something, but okay. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 35:01 Is the honeymoon already there? I go, "The honeymoon's always there." I said, "Then how come you don't have it?" Because when you start thinking, you then go back to subconscious control, the default. And the problem is, why do 50% of marriages end up in divorce? The answer is this: Marriage has started with the relationship of two conscious creative minds sharing together a belief in creating a honeymoon, and it ends when thinking enters into the people and they start playing their regular programs, which are 60% negative. The partner hears these programs. The one saying the thing doesn't hear it; the other one hears it. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 35:43 I love the response. When somebody comes out in a relationship and the loving partner hears some kind of BS come out of their other partner, they look at them and go: "Who are you? Where did you come from?" What? It was never part of the behavior. And then, all of a sudden, it shows up. And the more thinking, the more that negativity shows up. There's a point where a partner will say: "That's enough. That's not why I signed up here. I signed up because we had a great honeymoon." After you started thinking, this thing went right down the tube. The point is, that's what reality is about. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 36:18 So the idea then becomes simple, which is the obvious thing: "What if I created all programs that represented my wishes and desires—if I had those programs?" I said: "Oh, you know what? Whether you're consciously creating those wishes and desires or your conscious mind is off in left field, your subconscious will be manifesting the wishes and desires. And guess what? A honeymoon is not a short period. A honeymoon is every day of your life for as long as you live." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 36:46 Does it work? Personally, I had some very bad programming when I was young because my mother and father had a dysfunctional relationship. I downloaded my father's dysfunctional behavior. I played it when I couldn't see it. The result is that I couldn't get relationships off the ground. Then I understood the nature of the programming. Then I understand the nature of reprogramming. Around 50, I met my partner, Margaret. We just celebrated 28 years! And I'm not selling just a relationship; I'm talking honeymoon for 28 years. To wake up every day in my life and go: "Oh my God, I'm still here. Oh my God, I have another day to smell the roses, to have a piece of cake, to enjoy the love, watch the environment, and love my life." I celebrate life. Jill celebrates life. What's the result? Where's the illness? What illness? Dr. Jill 37:45 Yes! I love that. There are some points that I think are so crucial that you just made, number one, being present with our partners, watching them in real time and observing them. So often we create a program of them, a template, and then we don't expect them to change. Or, we expect them to behave the same. And when we're in real time, present with another person—whether it's a friend, family member, business associate, or lover—we can respond in real time. And that's part of that co-creation that you're talking about. It's crucial. Dr. Jill 38:15 The other thing is that with illness, I find one thing that was—I'm sure this is related to the program, [and] I'd love your comments—I never identified with the cancer. I never became the cancer. I never made that part of who I was. Even now, I'm like, "Oh yes, 20 years ago, I had cancer." And of course, it's real, but it's almost foreign because it was never part of me. And I really believe that's a huge part of why I overcame a very, very aggressive cancer at the age of 25—because it never was my identity. Do you want to talk about that a little bit? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 38:44 Yes, let's just talk about this. The first thing is that I'm going to give a fact of science [to] which [a person might say], "He really said that?" And I'm going to say, yes, I'm going to say this. There's not one gene that causes cancer. There's not a gene [where], "You have this gene, you get cancer." The one scary one for women, of course, [is] the breast cancer gene. I go, "So what?" I go: "Women who carry the breast cancer gene don't necessarily have to have cancer. As a matter of fact, nearly half of them don't get cancer. But they have the gene." So then I say, "Then where did the cancer come from?"—because those who have the cancer with the gene and those who are healthy with the gene have the same gene. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 39:20 What's the difference? The answer is this: Cancer is correlated with a gene, not caused by a gene. Cancer is caused by disharmony in the system. Disharmony is the source of disease. Harmony is the source of health. Disharmony means your programming wasn't really good, and you're responding to things in a negative way that is going to cause a breakdown of the system. That's where the stress comes into it. So the concept is this: The image—even if once you tell a woman, "Yes, you have the breast cancer gene," what the hell image do you think is going to be in her head? The answer is: Cancer. I go: "Yes, but isn't the function of the mind to take the image of the head and turn it into reality?" I go, "Absolutely! What's the consequence?" Ninety percent of cancer has no genetic linkage at all. Dr. Jill 40:14 Yes. That was the biggest question I got as a 25-year-old. Every single person, to a T: "Oh, did you have genes?" No, I didn't have genes. I had a dysfunctional system when I was in my 20s. That goes into a whole other lecture that I could give, but I was not living consciously. And there were some things, stress-wise, that were contributing. And it was the environmental toxic load. So all of these things are the petri dish. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 40:38 And more than that, there must have been the two programs. Eighty to ninety percent of all people will not test positive for two beliefs. Number one, and I think the most important, is the belief, "I love myself." Eighty percent of people will not test positive for that belief. Number two, and this is the one where the healthcare crisis comes from: "I am safe." When you have a picture of fear, then the chemistry of fear is to manifest the fear. When they say "This is it" and [show you] a picture of the tumor and everything, then you make the chemistry of the tumor. Then the idea is that we have to own quantum physics. Consciousness is the source of our life experiences. We have to understand the nature of epigenetics. Consciousness is the source of what controls our genes. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 41:07 The third thing that I think is part of the Renaissance that we really must emphasize at some point is Newtonian physics, which separates physical from non-physical, matter versus energy. It's an illusion. It's not real. But it programs us in a very bad way because the program says: "Whatever is made out of matter can only be affected by matter. Whatever is made out of energy can only be affected by energy." And I say, "So what's the consequence?" I say: "The body is matter. And what do you think the whole foundation of the pharmaceutical company is? The body is matter and we make the matter to fix the matter." Dr. Jill 42:16 Yes. What's the matter with that? [laughs] Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 42:18 Three hundred thousand people die in the US every year from prescription drugs, that's what's the matter with it, when less than 50,000—I think 30,000—people die from illegal drugs. We have a war on illegal drugs, and 300,000 people dying from pharmaceutical drugs is called the cost of doing medicine. I go: "That's damn expensive! We don't need that." Simple law of science: If a drug works, it only works because you already had a receptor for that drug on you. Do you think nature put receptors on cells, waiting for the pharmaceutical company to make a drug? No, come on, man! If you have a receptor for a drug, it's because you have a receptor for a drug that you make. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 43:01 I go, "I can make any drug." Of course, because any drug works because you have a receptor to connect it. If you have a receptor, then you obviously have a signal that will bind to that receptor. Then you say, "Well, it's not working." And that's where everything gets screwed up because that system isn't working and then you go right away: "Oh, the body is defective. The genes aren't working right. There's an interference with the physical." I go, "Yes, there was an interference because it didn't start down here; it started up here." And once you start to understand this, yes, treat the body if there's an immediate need to treat the body, but the process of treating the patient is treating this part. Knowledge is power. They do not have the knowledge of who they are. They're programmed [to think]: "I'm a victim of my genes and I have no power." I go, "Well, there's your problem." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 43:54 And the issue about it is that you guys are in the front of the evolution that says: Okay, I can treat the patient, but I've really got to treat the consciousness of the patient. Why? Because, as quantum physics says, consciousness is the source of this creativity, and as epigenetics says, consciousness is the source of this expression. You cannot leave that out. Dr. Jill 44:18 You just talked about two beliefs that I think are critical and it's a great place to kind of wrap up. The first one is: Do we love ourselves? Do we really, really, truly love and accept ourselves? I have written a book and done a movie on that message. The heart of healing is: How do we show self-compassion and love? Because that is the only way that our cells will respond in health. Dr. Jill 44:41 The second thing was so crucial too, and that is the fear and the unsafety. This is where a physician in the office can make all the difference, because if they add to that fear message, guess what? That's just adding to that patient's unhealth. So one thing we are obligated to do as physicians is create a safe environment and teach that patient how to start to feel safe in their body. With those two beliefs, maybe in the last couple of minutes here, could you maybe give us some practical advice for somebody who's like: "How do I start doing that, Bruce? How do I feel safe in my body? And how do I love myself?" Because that, I couldn't agree more with you, is really the core message here. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 45:19 I'll tell you, let's get right to the root of why people do not love themselves. The answer is: Because parents act like coaches on a sports team. I go, "What does that mean?" A player isn't doing well. What does the coach say? "Oh, do better." No! The coach says: "That's not good enough. Who do you think you are? You don't deserve to be on this team." Well, a player is older than seven. They're in consciousness. They understand that the coach is saying, "You better do better!" Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 45:47 Now let's say the parent is the coach and the kid is under seven. There's no consciousness operating. What's operating? Hypnosis, programming. So when the father says, "That's not good enough, you don't deserve this, you're not lovable, you don't belong," blah, blah, blah—acting like the coach who says, "This is going to make them do better"—if the kid is under seven, you just programmed them to self-sabotage because the subconscious is going to create 95% of their life. And if I get a program "I do not deserve," when I'm thinking 95% of the day, what the hell program is running? "I do not deserve." So I could say something so stupid in my corporate structure or something, and somebody says, "That guy doesn't deserve to be here." And then, all of a sudden, I'm kicked out of the structure. Why? Because I myself made behavior to conform to "not good enough" and to not love myself. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 46:41 This is why that one's so important—because if you can't love yourself, I'm going to be honest, you can't accept love from somebody else. I go, "Why?" Because they say they love you, but in your mind, you're going: "Well, they don't know me, man. I know I'm not lovable." And you'll push them away. And then you'll find yourself with nobody around. And guess what you'll say? "You see?! I'm not lovable!" [inaudible] You just did that. And when it comes to "Do I have any power?" the answer is: No, it has been systematically deprived of them. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 46:59 I've got a minute; I've got to say this because this is really cool. There's a power struggle in the world. It's always been this way. There are three levels of power. Number one, caveman. Who's the biggest badass with the biggest club? Whatever they say, do it. They've got the power. Evolution came along. There are people then who control the resources that you need. And all of a sudden they say, "If you want those resources, you've got to give me something for this." And you know what? The ones who had the resources paid the caveman to hit you over the head if you didn't pay for the resources. Dr. Jill 47:53 A personal hitman. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 47:55 That's the king who owns the resources with an army of cavemen. Then I say, "But the last of the power struggles came down to 'knowledge is power.'" And it was recognized that, yes, that is the supreme power of everything. Knowledge is power. The first thing the church of Rome did was acknowledge: "We are the source of infallible knowledge. We are the source of truth. We say it; it's true." Well, you say, "I don't care." The point about it was that people gave up their power to the belief. And I say it here very quickly: There's a code behind the power brokers. I call it the powermongers' credo. I say, "What is it?" Are you ready? Give them the fear for free and then sell them the antidote. Dr. Jill (pre-recording) 48:46 Hey, everybody. I just stopped by to let you know that my new book, Unexpected: Finding Resilience through Functional Medicine, Science, and Faith, is now available for order wherever you purchase books. In this book, I share my own journey of overcoming a life-threatening illness and the tools, tips, tricks, hope, and resilience I found along the way. This book includes practical advice for things like cancer and Crohn's disease and other autoimmune conditions, infections like Lyme or Epstein-Barr, and mold- and biotoxin-related illnesses. What I really hope is that as you read this book, you find transformational wisdom for health and healing. If you want to get your own copy, stop by ReadUnexpected.com. There, you can also collect your free bonuses. So grab your copy today and begin your own transformational journey through functional medicine and finding resilience. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 50:59 "What do you want me to do? Put a mask on? Sure. I'll mask on. I can't visit my mom, who's dying in a nursing home?" "No, you have to give that up because you can't do that." "Really?" Dr. Jill 51:09 Yes. If you're controlled, then fear created the biology of illness. It really, really is a great analogy. Bruce, this has been so fun to dive deep. I love talking to you. I love your enthusiasm. I love your wisdom. And I love most of all that you were so far ahead of the curve because people are kind of coming along to this belief. But the truth is, you were one of the very first ones writing and talking about this. And I'm just grateful that way back in the day, in the lab, you saw this and started writing about it. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 51:44 I can't be any happier than I am for myself! I have a different life! I have a different life than before that discovery. Dr. Jill 51:53 Yes. And it transforms us all, too. I have many stories, the same thing, of me continuing to transform because of this knowledge. Thank you for the work that you do. 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