In Episode #15, Dr. Jill and Dr. Tyna Moore discuss PRP, prolotherapy and stem cells and online marketing tips. With nearly three decades experience in the medical world, Dr. Tyna has made her mark as a leading expert in holistic regenerative medicine and resilient health. 

Dr. Tyna Moore: https://www.drtyna.com/

Dr. Jill

Dr. Jill Carnahan is Your Functional Medicine Expert® dually board certified in Family Medicine for ten years and in Integrative Holistic Medicine since 2015. She is the Medical Director of Flatiron Functional Medicine, a widely sought-after practice with a broad range of clinical services including functional medical protocols, nutritional consultations, chiropractic therapy, naturopathic medicine, acupuncture, and massage therapy. As a survivor of breast cancer, Crohn’s disease, and toxic mold illness she brings a unique perspective to treating patients in the midst of complex and chronic illness. Her clinic specializes in searching for the underlying triggers that contribute to illness through cutting-edge lab testing and tailoring the intervention to specific needs. 

A popular inspirational speaker and prolific writer, she shares her knowledge of hope, health, and healing live on stage and through newsletters, articles, books, and social media posts! People relate to Dr. Jill’s science-backed opinions delivered with authenticity, love and humor. She is known for inspiring her audience to thrive even in the midst of difficulties.

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#15: Dr. Jill Talks to Dr. Tyna Moore About Social Media and Online Marketing

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Dr. Jill 0:12

Hello, hello! I have got Dr. Tyna Moore on today, and I'm so excited. One of our mutual contacts introduced us. And we really don't know each other that well, but she's just one of those people that you meet and you're like: “She's cool. I know we will be friends.” So we've kind of seen each other in our circles. But today, along with you, I'm going to be getting to know her. I should have your professional bio. I so apologize, Tyna. I don't have that up here. 

Dr. Tyna Moore 0:38

It's okay. 

Dr. Jill 0:39

But let's do this: I would love to have you tell your story because you've got a really diverse background in some of the stuff you used to do and now do. And I'd love to go back because I always like to know how people get into the space they're in. So tell us a little bit about your story, what you do, and how you got into it. 

Dr. Tyna Moore 0:55

All right. Well, first, thanks for having me, Jill. This is super fun, and I've always been a fan of yours. I was excited when Daffnee connected us. So what do I do? My background is in regenerative injection therapies. I was doing prolotherapy, PRP, and stem cell procedures many, many years before it was cool—decades before it was cool. I was working with my mentor, a naturopathic physician. I became a naturopathic physician. I'm also a chiropractor, so I love hands-on medicine. And I love teaching other doctors how to do it. So my practice was predominantly [centered] around that—autoimmune disease, autoimmune-driven pain, which is really common, bioidentical hormones—and that whole world for a while. Then I started in the digital and online marketing space, and I really loved it. I now coach other doctors on how to do that in their businesses and how to drive business into their brick-and-mortar [stores]. I believe every business should be skilled to some degree in how to function in the online space. [I'm] also teaching other doctors how to do the regenerative therapies that I've been so successful at. So that's kind of where I'm at now.

Dr. Jill 2:07

That's amazing, and I love how you went from having clients and all that to also teaching. I know that for me, that's been a space that I've moved into. It's interesting because I feel like I can only make so much of an impact one-on-one with patients, right? [Teaching enables me] to make a bigger impact, like you mentioned. I just got off a lecture with the IFM conference, and it was so fun. I think we had about 300 attendees for that particular lecture. And I was like, ‘Wow!' because each of them who hears this lecture will be impacted in their practice and with their patients. So really, maybe I reached tens of thousands of people with that small lecture. It's so much fun to make an impact like that. So I totally get it. 

Dr. Jill 2:43

Now, first of all, I want to hear a little bit more about regenerative [medicine] and what you've done. I know that's more your past, but you're still teaching that. So let's go into that. After that, I want to talk about the online space. Whether you're listening because you're a layperson, a mother, you're at home, or you're a practitioner—we have a lot of practitioners that listen—I think this is relevant because, especially nowadays, we don't always have a face-to-face presence with the pandemic and how it's changed. So this is more critical information than ever. Let's go back, though, to PRP, or regenerative medicine. Was there anything that drew you in that direction versus just a classical chiropractic or naturopathic practice? 

Dr. Tyna Moore 3:19

Yes. So my mentor, Dr. Rick Maranelli, is the one who brought regenerative medicine to our profession many decades ago. I was fortunate enough to spend almost 20 years working with him. I started as his receptionist. I didn't even know what naturopathic medicine was; I was just his receptionist and his assistant. From there, it kind of took off. It's really fascinating. Prolotherapy is the original regenerative injection therapy. It's not as popular now. It's hard to do. It's very palpation-based. It takes a pretty high skill set, to be honest, to do it well. I just fell in love with it because I love working with my hands. I think humans were built to work with their hands. So it was always very rewarding to see the results that he was getting, and it was at a price point that people could afford. Since then, it's kind of gotten crazy. People are doing these really elaborate, expensive stem cell procedures, which I do believe are necessary in some cases, but we've forgotten so much about these less expensive, really elegant treatments. So that's really my passion. I have a mastermind where I teach doctors how to do prolotherapy and then also the digital and online marketing piece to bring it all together to have a really successful, thriving, cash-based regenerative practice. I still do it. I still see a couple of patients here and there. 

Dr. Tyna Moore 4:36

I spent my life as a really sick kid, and then I worked all of my undergrad in a hospital setting, and then I went to work for Dr. Marinelli right out of college. I realized when I was 10 years into practice that I had spent my entire life virtually in a clinic of some sort. And I was like, “I just want to know what life is like outside of a clinic.” So I did, and it's been great. 

Dr. Jill 4:59

Gosh, I love that. For people listening, prolotherapy, I know what that is, but I'd love for you to explain it to someone who has never heard of prolotherapy. How does it induce the body's healing mechanism? Tell us a little bit about prolotherapy. 

Dr. Tyna Moore 5:11

Yes, it's awesome. It's sugar water, if you can believe it. It's not anything terribly fancy. It's about how it's applied. The idea behind it is that ligaments and tendons have a really poor blood supply. Anyone who's ever sprained an ankle knows that it can be a really grueling healing process. Inside the joint, we have a different set of cells called chondrocytes that build your cartilage. All of those cells respond when you hit them with dextrose. They respond in a sort of modulated inflammatory fashion, if you will—not to be too technical. But really, it's just the idea of waking up the body around that joint and getting it to heal. It's a second chance at healing. It works very well, depending on who your technician is. It's not just about shooting some juice in the joint. It's about treating all of the involved structures around that joint. It works very well to cut pain. It works very well to regenerate and give stability to the joint. If it's not strong enough, we can easily just go up the ladder. We can jump up to PRP. There are more expensive and fancier things to put in a syringe, but the technique is the same. You comprehensively want to treat whatever joint you're dealing with.

Dr. Jill 6:15

Got it. I love what you're saying there, and I want to clarify that for the people listening. Inflammation—that's interesting because people think inflammation's all bad, right? Anti-inflammatories. Take this, take that. So the opposite of that would be like taking ibuprofen to reduce inflammation. We think of that as pain control, but the truth is that our body's process of creating cells that go to the place of damage, which is “inflammation,” is actually our body's way of healing that place. So we're actually recruiting more cells to go in and do the work of repair and recovery. Is that right? Is that another way to say it?

Dr. Tyna Moore 6:51

Correct, yes. It's just a wonderful way to give the body that chance. Most people do take ibuprofen when they get hurt, which, as you know, completely obliterates that inflammatory cascade [and] totally ruins their chances at building new collagen 300 days later. You're kind of shooting yourself in the foot when you ice it and ibuprofen it. 

Dr. Jill 7:11

Gosh, I couldn't agree more. I love that we're talking about this because this is practical stuff for people in healing. Same thing as if you get a fever with a viral illness. I'm a big fan of: As long as that is controlled and not above a certain temperature, you're safe and you're not having a seizure, it's not a bad idea to let that fever go. Again, as a naturopath, you guys are way ahead of the game compared to us allopathic doctors because you've taught for years that with fever, you let it ride, right? Would you agree with that?

Dr. Tyna Moore 7:39

Oh yes. I tell people to let it burn until they hit a certain point, and that point is different for each person. You can abruptly get there if you're not paying attention. But I am a big fan of letting the fever take place. In fact, and you know this as a physician, I knew I was in a bad place when I was in my 30s and I could no longer mount a fever. I couldn't even get one. I was so sickly. So the day I got a fever back, I was like: “Yes! My vitality has returned.”

Dr. Jill 8:06

This is such a great transition because I have people ask me all the time. They're like: “Okay, Dr. Jill, you know I have chronic Lyme disease, I've had mold exposure, and I have mast cell activation. I have all these things. What's my risk of getting COVID-19 or viruses in general? And how will I be affected? Will I get really sick?” Now, number one, I will say very clearly, we don't know for sure. But I've been following this, and I've been looking at the system you mentioned. What I see in people is an overactive system where they have a massive cytokine response already. And this is classic with endotoxemia, which is common with diabetes, heart disease, obesity, mood disorders, and sleep disorders. This kind of cytokine response is already primed in those disorders, and it's no surprise. Those are the diseases for which we see a higher mortality rate with the coronavirus or any sort of RNA-type virus. 

Dr. Jill 8:58

Now, what's interesting though is [when] I see these people who—again, I mentioned Lyme and mold and other things—often tell me: “I'm really sick with pain and inflammation and fatigue, but I never get a cold or flu. I don't get sick.” That's kind of what you were saying. I'd love your opinion as to whether or not you agree with me here. Those people who say I never get sick, what they are saying is that they don't have the immune response to mount [against] a viral infection. So basically, when their body gets infected by a virus, the times when they feel flu-like, feverish, malaise, or fatigued are the body's own cytokine response to the virus. And if they're missing that because their immune system is so weak, that's the response that's also creating damage in many of these patients who get sick. So they're actually potentially more protected because their cytokine response is not active. Would you agree with that?

Dr. Tyna Moore 9:46

Yes, I agree with you. I do. I think that is a really interesting way to look at it. I think that sometimes we take for granted our ability to fight infections. That immune decline, coming from someone to whom it happened personally, is such a slow descent that you don't really notice it until one day you go from being the person who catches all the colds to the person who doesn't even get sick anymore. But you really can't get out of bed because you're completely exhausted because you burned out your immune system.

Dr. Jill 10:17

Yes. It's not a win-win. Maybe you don't get colds or flus… What I see all the time is people telling me, “Well, I haven't gotten sick for 10 years,” and they're so proud of that fact. Then as we treat them, they're like, “Oh my gosh, last year I got two colds and the flu.” And they're like, “Is everything okay?” I'm like: “Yes. That's actually,” like you mentioned, [a sign that] “your immune system is waking up.” And that's way more healthy than having that blunted response. So it's a very mixed bag, right?

Dr. Tyna Moore 10:41

Yes. We want somewhere in the middle. 

Dr. Jill 10:43

Right. And then we have prolotherapy, which is, like you said, kind of a lost art. I've known about that for years and had some practitioners who did it very well. I don't do it, so I'd send them to someone like you who did. And now what's so popular is PRP and stem cells. Again, the cost goes up. I think the efficacy may go up, but I totally agree that starting with the simplest [method might be best]. Is that typically what you'd recommend or teach, just starting with something simple and then going up if needed if there's no response?

Dr. Tyna Moore 11:08

That is what I teach for various reasons: One is when you come into the body with a needle of any sort, even if it's just an acupuncture needle, whatever substance you're delivering, it wakes the body up. It primes the stem cells in the area, but it also quiets down those pain receptors. All those little C-fibers that are around the joint are so angry most of the time. I tell patients things like, “Yes, your MRI looks terrible, but your joints are just really angry, and we have to calm them down.” If you come in with some dextrose, dextrose actually sits on a TRPV1 receptor, shuts off pain, and calms things down really beautifully. So then you can come back in with some bigger guns, and it's not as traumatizing of an experiment. 

Dr. Tyna Moore 11:50

You've probably had patients who got PRP and stem cells and had tremendous flares; they [now] have PTSD from it. They don't want to go back and get treated again because it was so incredibly painful. Even just the needle touching down on those angry tissues is so painful sometimes. So if I can get a patient to agree to prolotherapy first, it's always better. We clean it up. We clean up the area. We calm it down. We centralize the pain. Then I can get in there more specifically with those more expensive syringes and make sure that I hit the pain generators instead of, like, this big enigma of pain that's all over their joint. 

Dr. Jill 12:22

Oh gosh, Dr. Tyna, this makes so much sense. I didn't understand that because I do have people who, like you said, go straight for the big gun: “I want stem cells.” They do not have a good experience all the time; it depends on what hand they are in. But I've always wondered [about] someone who had a recent toxic mold exposure or still has chronic inflammation. What I see from my perspective is that those infections and toxins tend to go to the weakest link, [such as] if that patient has old damage from an auto accident in their neck or lumbar degeneration. For example, 10 or 15 years ago, I had really bad mold and a fungal illness. I remember flying back and forth from Colorado when I moved, and I was in so much pain. I remember one particular flight back. I needed a wheelchair to get to my plane. I'm running and hiking now [with] no problem at all. And if you'd look at my MRI, it looks horrendous. [inaudible] say, “You need surgery” or “You need something.” I'm fine. I have no pain. 

Dr. Jill 13:18

But back then, I had such a burden of infection and toxic inflammation that I literally couldn't walk. And I have a high pain tolerance. But that showed me that there are a couple of things at play here. It's not just your structural deficits and your MRI findings; on top of that, [there's] the inflammation. So, say I was in that really inflammatory state. I was always worried, and I'd love your opinion because you're the expert here: Could you take someone like that with massive inflammation and use PRP to calm it down? Or would you say to calm down the toxic mold exposure first for a few months and then do PRP or prolotherapy? Is there any risk of someone [being] super-inflamed and making it worse if you don't take care of that inflammation first a little bit?

Dr. Tyna Moore 13:58

That's a great question. And I think so. These are the exact words I would use with patients. If I take that hot mess of inflamed adipose tissue and extract it and concentrate it down, and shoot it into that hot mess of an inflamed joint, we're going to have a nightmare on our hands. 

Dr. Jill 14:15

It's really adding cytokines to it, right?

Dr. Tyna Moore 14:18

Yes. It's a nightmare. It's weeks and weeks of misery post-injection for those patients. The thing that I like to do is prolotherapy. It will buy them time. It will calm things down so they can get moving again, because, as you and I know and as your listeners know, you can't get moving if you're feeling horrific, and you can't get over that mold toxicity if you're chronically sort of stagnant, right? If you're just not getting moving, you can't really overcome these infections, I believe. I firmly believe in movement as medicine, sweating it out, and getting things rolling. So I do the prolotherapy to prime them, but it buys them time. And then we can get to work on that chronic inflammatory condition, whatever the condition is, whatever the stealth infections are. We can work those out in the meantime. And then they've earned the PRP, or they've earned the stem cells. Then it works versus it not working and then the doctor blaming the patient when really the doctor did the wrong thing in the first place, in my opinion. 

Dr. Jill 15:12

Gosh, I just love talking to you. I've had this question forever, and I've even had the recommendation to get PRP and stem cells. Now I'm pretty good, so it probably wouldn't hurt me. I'm not inflamed like I used to be. But I always have this catch of like, “Gosh, I want to make sure I'm not going in super inflamed” because I have an intuitive sense that wouldn't be a good idea. But you're actually saying that prolotherapy might be okay in that case because that will still calm things down. That will actually calm down that initial—

Dr. Tyna Moore 15:37

It should, and it really depends. I'm an autoimmune girl myself, and I recently just treated my own hip with a very low concentration of dexterous, and I still flared. I was shocked at how badly I flared. But stress has been high. Maybe my diet wasn't as ideal as it could be. There are various factors that create that low-grade inflammation in the body. So it's a real crapshoot, I think, with everyone. But I think the elegant thing to do—well, with any therapy, as you know—is to ease in. I like to go slow and low with any therapy that I'm doing with a patient so that I don't slam them into a wall. I'd rather nudge them into wellness. 

Dr. Jill 16:11

Yes. Gosh, this is great. And we mentioned it in the beginning, but I still feel like it might be harder to find qualified people who really know what they're doing as well. Do you see that as an issue where people are advertising, “I know how to do this,” and they really maybe don't have the skill set? 

Dr. Tyna Moore 16:26

Yes. I can give you a link to doctors I've personally trained. But yes, it's an art form that we're losing because practitioners also make a lot more money doing the bigger procedures. So they don't see the utility in it. Or maybe they're not strong in their palpation and anatomy skills and are good at injecting under ultrasound only, which is fine; that's a great skill set to have, but you miss a whole lot of information when you don't know how to work with these very well. Not to diss anyone. I'm not trying to disrespect anyone. You know, when we don't know what we don't know kind of thing.

Dr. Jill 17:02

I totally agree. Well, in this Facebook Live and then on the recording on YouTube, I'll make sure to get whatever links you need for your website for practitioners. So if you're listening now, we'll make sure to have those resources available so that you can click on them and see who you can trust. So let's shift gears. And you're in Portland, Oregon, right? 

Dr. Tyna Moore 17:21

Yes.

Dr. Jill 17:22

How long have you been in Portland? 

Dr. Tyna Moore 17:24

Gosh, half of my life. I lived in California until I was 14 and then in Oregon since I was a teenager. So I'm a Portland girl. It's kind of like Boulder: There are lots of practitioners. There's lots of great coffee. 

Dr. Tyna Moore 17:38

Yes, we need it!

Dr. Jill 17:39

Yes. So let's shift now. Of course, we have clients, patients, and all kinds of people listening. But I know that on my site, with what I do, I have a lot of practitioners who are listening. So let's talk a little bit to them and then even to the layperson who maybe has a business online. So let's shift to what you're doing now with [regard to having an] online presence. First of all, talk about how the shift in the last several months with the pandemic has affected you and your clients. To me, it seems like the perfect time for someone like you to come to the forefront because, all of a sudden, we don't have as much in-person access. My patient load went from probably 30% online to pretty much 100%. Now I see maybe one patient per day. So it has really shifted, and there really are differences in how we come across online. I'd love to hear you just talk a little bit about that, the transition, why it's so important, and then some of the things you use to help people.

Dr. Tyna Moore 18:29

Sure. Well, I think that every business, if they don't get hip to the idea that there has to be some digital and online presence in their marketing strategies, will go the way of the dinosaurs. I just think it's the way that it is. Something that I teach that's really simple for any business is that, especially in the health space, we know Google is censoring. We know that censorship is real on some of these platforms. So I teach that one way to get around that is to saturate the Google search engine by having your presence everywhere. If you've got a little bit of something… It's not about becoming an influencer by any means. It's about just having a strong presence in a variety of places and having content out there. You do an excellent job of this—blog posts, books—just having something for people to sort of binge-watch you, if you will. That way, when they put your name into a Google search engine, up comes a variety of things. There's written content; there's audio; there's video. 

Dr. Tyna Moore 19:27

You're on Instagram, and you're on Facebook. You have a strong presence here. I have a strong presence on Instagram. It kind of depends on where your ideal client is sitting. But that's the name of the game. It doesn't have to be a full-time job, but it really should be something tangible. And then, to complement that, I encourage everybody to really utilize the power of building and using an email list and getting your clients to know, like, and trust you because people are way more apt to come spend money with you. And it's going to get harder. I do believe there's going to be some semblance of a second wave here. I think as more and more things are digital, people have to stand out in the crowd. The general practitioner being on an insurance panel is not going to be enough anymore. We don't want people judging us simply by saying, “Oh, she had a pretty picture, so I decided to go see her.” We can't help the people that we need to help if we don't tell them how to find us. So that's really the essence of what I teach—just really basic stuff. It takes some time, but none of it is complicated, hard, or high-level. It's just a matter of being comfortable, putting yourself out there, and doing it consistently.

Dr. Jill 20:37

Gosh, I love that because it really makes it very simple. I heard a few words that were really important when you said that. I always joke with my staff. I'm like, “Gosh, guys, if I could be at home with my puppies and live my life reading books… ” I never desired to be a public figure. I never wanted to be out there. But what I do have very deep within my heart is that I want to impact and influence people in a positive way, and mostly inspire. So I love those words: Impact, inspire, influence, and not for any personal gain. But what happens is that as you become trustworthy… All of the products I sell and the things that I do literally come from: “Oh my gosh, I bought this air filter. It's working for me. It changed my life after mold. So hey, if you want one, I'll get a deal with a dealer and share it with you.” And I love that I come from that place because most of my patients and clients know it's very trustworthy. There's never [something] like, “Oh my gosh, let me find the next thing that'll make money.” It's like: “What helped me in my journey? And how can I just come across authentically?” 

Dr. Jill 21:38

And then the platform; it's interesting because, again, I would prefer to remain anonymous. I don't really want to be in the public eye. But as we talked about lecturing to professionals, teaching patients, or having an influence, I do want to impact people's lives. I want to help them make positive changes. And what's beautiful is that when you have that kind of motive, beautiful things happen. Your clients, your people watching this now—I think they know me. I'm not here to sell you anything. I don't even care if you buy from me. But if I am trustworthy and I earn your trust, then you know what I say and anything that I mention comes from the right place. And it's so fun to come from that place because magic happens. Yes, sometimes we sell stuff in the store, but it's not about that. So that impact and inspiration… And I love what you're doing because you're helping practitioners actually become influencers in their space and make a difference. But if you aren't online and no one can find you, then you can't do what you love to do, which is make a difference. 

Dr. Tyna Moore 22:38

That's it. That's 100% it. My mentor passed away, Dr. Rick Maranelli whom I mentioned, in 2013. He was such a huge influence on my profession. He was always ahead of the pace. He always had the latest gadgets and technology. When he passed away, his website disappeared, as did all of his legacy. It was just incredible how quickly he seemed to be erased from anyone's memory—I mean, not for the people who knew him. But moving forward, a lot of the young MDs don't even know who he is unless I tell them. That got me going. It was the same thing. I started writing a Google document to my daughter in case anything happened to me. I wanted her to know how to hack her system. Like, “These are the things you need to know.” As I was writing it, I was like, “I think the whole world needs to know this.” So I started putting content out there similarly, just to be of service. People thank me all the time, and I'm like, “I'm literally on this planet to tell you the truth as I know it.” My voice comes through social media platforms, and that's my why. It's not about me. It's bigger than me. It's about his legacy too. It's about the profession. But people are being lied to, and they need to know the truth, [which] is how I feel. So that's my job here, and I hope that it impacts millions of lives. 

Dr. Jill 23:50

I love that. You just brought up something so important. What I'm seeing with the world of artificial intelligence and the way that manipulation of videos and feeds is done… If you're listening out there and you believe what's on your news or your Facebook feed or the videos you see, the truth is that videos can be manipulated. People can be made to say things that aren't really true. Memes—so much of this can be manipulated. Even more than that, our media, our news press, and even the people who run our social media have studied psychological and neuro-linguistic programming, the things that get you to buy [things] or change behaviors. And I just want to be one of those voices that remains, one that's really authentic, just like you. I hear that coming through. Granted, I don't always say everything perfectly, but what I do know is that we need more voices out there that are coming truthfully from the heart because there's such a big amount of these things that are manipulative. That's the bottom line. And it's getting worse and worse, so the only way to fight that is to bring the voices of truth and have them out there. But I've seen a few of the apps and the technology that's coming out—whether it's photoshopping photos—it's gone to a whole new level, and even more so with video and stuff. How do people trust what they're hearing anymore? That's hard.

Dr. Tyna Moore 25:14

I know. It's crazy. I think about it with my daughter. She's 20. I remember being a teenager in the early '90s and how everybody was so thin. I did not know Photoshop existed. When I found out about Photoshop and realized what they had been doing to my young brain, I was so mad. I could not believe that they were photoshopping these girls to have like the tiniest thighs and the tiniest legs. Granted, everybody was super skinny then anyway, just by fashion. But it's gotten so morphed and out of control. I don't know how young people even navigate it, really. I think they just know. When I talk to my daughter and her friends, they're like, “Oh, we think everything's fake.” They actually just don't even assume anything is possibly real, which is—

Dr. Jill 25:58

That's good, actually, right? I'm the same way too. I'm like, “Oh, my gosh, that's amazing!” Whatever the app is—Snapchat, I don't even know. But obviously, you can create these big eyes and lashes and things. 

Dr. Tyna Moore 26:10

Yes. It's so weird. I didn't know that existed for years. One of my friends, who's much younger than me, was like, “You do know about Instagram filters, right?” I was like, “What?” But I'm always the first to tell people. When they say, “You look amazing,” I'm like, “That was a filter.” I'm 46 years old. I have wrinkles. We're going to use filters sometimes. But yes, it's crazy. I just want to go back to something you said because you make such a good point. And that was kind of where I was getting with the clients that I coach and [when] thinking of my mentor's legacy: There are so many brilliant physicians and healers out there in the world, and I'm so scared that they're going to die with their unique protocols and their unique way of thinking. I'm afraid it's going to die with them. So for any of them that have the inkling to step up and step into the online space, it's such a beautiful forum for that, because you can immortalize your protocols and your thought processes. And even if you don't think they're unique… 

Dr. Tyna Moore 27:12

We're so humble as practitioners that we never want to brag ourselves up, but I do think that we're losing some really good common sense in medicine. I'm excited to see functional medicine take off the way it has because I'm seeing more doctors come [to this side]. I always say, “Welcome to the dark side.” Like, welcome to our way of thinking, because we need more of that. Going back again: The truth [means] more doctors telling their patients the truth and helping them get through what they need to without just throwing pills at them. And to the doctor's defense, nobody wants to do that. That's just the model that allopathic medicine has come to. So anyway, it's exciting to see more doctors following the path of either naturopathic or functional medicine, and even health coaches—people stepping up and then stepping into the online ring. 

Dr. Jill 27:59

I love that you're helping them get their message out because I just heard recently that the best ideas in the world are in the cemetery. Like you said, basically, [the ideas] died with the brilliance of the people who had them and never got them out. I think that's such a tragedy when those things aren't out. The other thing you said is that we're humble. Granted, I hope that's true. But more importantly, when something is a natural gift to you—maybe it's you helping in this online space, maybe it's me solving a complex medical issue—for me, this piece that I'm gifted in is so natural that it doesn't feel like a gift. And the same with you. For you, [it may be] encouraging people or helping people—whatever our gifts are. And for you listening out there too, if you are someone who cuts hair or is a homemaker or a mother or a teacher or an entrepreneur, whatever your gift is, it feels like, “Oh, this is nothing because it's so easy for me to do.” That's your gift. That's your gift, actually. So it's hard for most people to talk about it or to feel like it's anything special because, when it's your gift, it's so easy for you to do, right?

Dr. Tyna Moore 29:00

It is. And I do think that, as a human being on this planet, I'm always trying to be a better citizen. I think that we owe it to the world to get those gifts out. I really feel strongly about that. I was just talking to my boyfriend, who is a millwright and an electrician who can literally build or fix anything. I mean, everything's so easy for him. I said, “You have no idea how these common-sense skills are gone from society.” People don't know how to change a tire anymore. They don't know how to change their oil. Even having a YouTube channel of how to do basic things around the house with basic tools would be a valuable thing to have out there. It would bring a lot of people joy. He was like: “No, it's not that big of a deal. Anyone can do this.” It just goes back to what you were saying. Whatever your superpower is.

Dr. Jill 29:49

Yes. I'd be like, “Uh, I don't know how to fix that.” I have no idea [about fixing things] around the house. I can fix people, but not things. Totally. Oh my gosh. This is so fun, and all of a sudden, we are almost out of time. First of all, we were just talking before we got on here [about] this last week. Gosh, if you're listening, share in the space here if you had the craziest week of your life last week. I think so many people [felt like] there were breakups. For me, there were office things that changed that were really dramatic. I heard other people mention the loss of loved ones. There's so much going on right now, obviously, in the world. So there's suffering going on there. So let's leave people with some words of wisdom, a piece of hope, or any encouragement that you can leave our listeners with today. 

Dr. Tyna Moore 30:38

What I've been thinking about a lot lately: I love movement. It snaps me out of whatever state I'm in. And I just love the idea of, once a day, in the middle of all of this craziness, just putting on a favorite song and dancing. Just dance your ass off. And just bring some joy in with some music. Music will reset your mindset really quickly, and movement will too. I've been listening to a lot of music from when I was like 17, 18, or 19 years old, just because those were good memories. So that's my bit of advice: Find something that is a really healthy distraction, if only for a few minutes a day, to kind of get out of the craziness. Put the phone down, turn the social media off, and go get some movement with some music. 

Dr. Jill 31:25

I love that. So Saturday, I had this incredibly stressful, crazy week—one of the most stressful of my life. On Saturday, I had some colleagues that were meeting for a mastermind kind of mind-sharing meeting of ideas, and I wanted to join them. I couldn't. And I was at home, and I put on some music. And I've never done this, Tyna, but I started dancing. I was like, “I'm going to record them and send them this.” I mean, I'm not that [type of] person. I would sing or dance maybe in my shower a little bit, but not in public. So I did this little video of me doing the stupidest, silliest dance, but it made me so happy. I shared it, and I think most of my colleagues and a few close friends I shared it with were laughing so hard. It was just like this beautiful joy. I love that you say that. So everybody [who is] listening, put on some music and dance. You don't even have to do a video. You can do it for yourself. But if I get the courage, and if you're here on Facebook, stay tuned because you might get to see a sneak peek of that.  

Dr. Tyna Moore 32:22

All right! I love it. 

Dr. Jill 32:25

[inaudible]. I love that, though. Awesome. Yes, music can really change [a person's mood]. Well, thank you so much for joining me. Where could people find you on social media? 

Dr. Tyna Moore 32:35

Yes. So you can find me at @drtyna on Instagram. I'm usually over there more than I am on Facebook right now. So that's probably the best place to go. DrTyna.com is my website. I have a free book there if people want to download that and check it out. And that's it right now. 

Dr. Jill 32:50

Very cool. Well, thank you so much for joining us. Hang on a minute after we get off, and we will chat. And thank you all for joining us today. Please share, and we'll see you again next time.