In Episode #55, Dr. Jill talks to HigherDose CEO, Lauren Berlingeri about the new HigherDose PEMF mats and Infrared Sauna blankets which have been profoundly beneficial to patient’s healing and well-being. Learn more about HigherDose's pulsed electromagnetic field therapy mats.
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7 Benefits of Infrared Saunas: https://www.jillcarnahan.com/2017/10/20/7-benefits-of-infrared-saunas
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#55: Dr. Jill Talks to HigherDose CEO, Lauren Berlingeri About New PEMF Mats
Dr. Jill 00:12
Hey everybody! We're going to do an Instagram Live. We're going to join in there in a bit so you guys will see us there shortly as well. But today, we're on Facebook with you. This was kind of a spontaneous decision to do that so you might not have seen me promote this on Facebook. But I'm here with my new friend, Lauren Berlingeri. I hope I said that right.
Lauren Berlingeri 00:33
Berlingeri. Close, close.
Dr. Jill 00:35
It's kind of like Ben & Jerry, but it's not.
Lauren Berlingeri 00:38
I know. We've had to tell people it's not like the ice cream. It's Berlin—like the city in Germany—[followed by] geri.
Dr. Jill 00:44
Got it, okay. And we just talked for two minutes, but I feel like your new friend. And the reason I'm here, guys, [is that] you have heard me talk about this. She reached out. And I'll let her tell her story in just a second. But just for fun here, you've heard me talk about HigherDOSE and the PEMF mat. And today I'm going to tell you just a little bit about—we only have 10 to 15 minutes—how my health has personally changed with this. She's not paying me to say any of this. I just literally love their company. What I was telling her before we got on was that when I love a product, I can't stop talking about it. And when it changes my health, I really can't stop talking about it. So I'll tell you a little bit about what I've noticed and why I'm so passionate about this. But before I do, Lauren, tell us, how did you start the company? Tell us [about] you and your partner and you can give us her name. Tell us your story and your journey.
Lauren Berlingeri 01:35
Sure. So thank you for having me on. So it depends on how far I want to go back, but just quickly, I'll give you the high level. I used to be an international fitness model and then I became a TV host. I had my own show called Woman Vs. Workout, where I got to try all sorts of crazy physical challenges, from Navy SEAL training to NASCAR driving to motocross. I was always pushing the limits.
Dr. Jill 02:01
I love it!
Lauren Berlingeri 02:03
I considered myself to be an extreme athlete, but I was never considered [to be] that. So you can imagine how badly I needed recovery and how much I was interested in health, wellness, and optimization from an early age. From there, I started hosting for EA Sports UFC. I quickly realized that I didn't want to host and talk about other people doing great things; I wanted to do something interesting myself. And I knew where my true passion was, which was actually in health and wellness. So I studied to be a health coach and nutritionist. I studied at IIN. It's a great school.
Lauren Berlingeri 02:41
From there, I actually applied for a health and wellness startup, and my job was in the brand ambassador program. I felt very connected just being a TV host in the wellness and fitness space. And then it was also product development because, ultimately, they were creating products for me. I was the perfect demographic. During that period, my job was to sit in a room and interview the most influential wellness people, from doctors to nutritionists to fitness experts, just all around, picking their brains on what the best products are and what they're obsessed with. And I was introduced to the infrared sauna from Dr. Frank Lipman. I don't know if anyone knows him.
Dr. Jill 03:16
I know Frank really well. I love Frank.
Lauren Berlingeri 03:18
He's amazing, yes. He's a South African doctor. I spent a lot of time in Cape Town myself. He actually told me about the infrared sauna and that I needed to do it for myself because, even though I was a health and wellness expert, I was dealing with my own health issues, which is always the case. At that time, there was only one infrared sauna in New York City. It was in a colonic center in the basement behind this really weird curtain, and you kind of could hear people walking by. And you're sitting there naked. It was an awful experience.
Lauren Berlingeri 03:50
But immediately I knew that this was the best thing I've ever tried in my life. I felt calm, grounded, and connected. I had glowing skin and I slept through the night for the first time without needing to eat something—my nervous system was just so out of whack from all the crazy fitness challenges I was doing. So I knew right then and there that I wanted to start my company with something to do with infrared—bringing infrared to the masses. I did a couple of research papers on it just because I wanted to write a blog on it. And it was kind of crazy to find out about the benefits. The benefits are just like this long list of benefits, which is unheard of. The technology is so safe. When babies are prematurely born, they're in incubators; that's infrared technology. And it's been around forever and it's been studied.
Lauren Berlingeri 04:38
I just didn't understand how everyone didn't know about this, especially in New York City, where it's crazy—go, go, go. We are probably some of the most unhealthy people, even though we're trying to be healthy, just because we're exposed to light and stress, not nature. There were just so many aspects of New York and why it was so stressful.
Lauren Berlingeri 04:57
So I knew I wanted to start my company, but I also knew I needed a business partner, just based on my experience at startups. I had no idea how to create spreadsheets, PnLs, and models, or even just raise money. Like, forget it with my background, even though I was somewhat of an expert in this space. If you haven't raised money before, it's really difficult to [inaudible].
Dr. Jill 05:19
[inaudible].
Lauren Berlingeri 05:21
Yes. So I met my business partner, Katie Kaps, who's not on this Zoom right now, but she's amazing. She has a very deep-rooted financial background [and has] worked for startups before. She was one of the first six employees at Tough Mudder and grew that company, so she was just the perfect match for me. I told her about the infrared sauna and the rest was history.
Dr. Jill 05:46
Oh my gosh. I love that. So here I am. I'm an expert in environmental toxicity. People fly from all over the world to see me in my clinic. I do the medical detective work in the toughest cases. One of the foundations of my treatment plans is always infrared sauna, because what I find is that there's no amount of supplements or anything that we do that takes that out of the tissues like the sauna does. So that infrared technology actually allows—and you've heard me talk about this before if you're listening—our tissues to excrete fat-soluble toxins, parabens, phthalates, metals, and molds. And of course, I work with a ton of patients.
Dr. Jill 06:24
I had my old journey with mold five years ago when my office got flooded. [I was] really, really sick from mold, and infrared sauna was one of the critical components of my healing. So I'm all on board. And what I love about what you've done with HigherDOSE is that there's these… We have a full sauna in our office. My massage therapist has one of these other brands. They're thousands and thousands of dollars. They start at $4,000. So a lot of my patients can't afford to get them. They're beautiful. They're lovely. But when I saw your sauna blanket and then read about the low EMF and also the clean materials and things, I was really impressed. And of course, I got one. I love it. I think it's the best thing. In fact, it's pretty heavy. But if you were doing a drive trip or something, you could even travel with it. It's not impossible.
Lauren Berlingeri 07:05
I have one here in my closet right now in Austin. So definitely, that's the first thing I take with me.
Dr. Jill 07:11
Me too. It's very doable for that. So for me, I've loved to tell patients about your products because they're very affordable and they still do the work. It's actually so cool because it's so easy to use. I feel like that is integral. For me, my toolbox is large in the sense of nutrients, supplements, diet, and lifestyle. But if I'm not able to get patients infrared sauna as part of their treatment protocol, especially mold toxicity—
Lauren Berlingeri 07:36
[inaudible].
Dr. Jill 07:37
Yes, it's critical. It's absolutely critical at the right time.
So that was your first product. And then it gets even better. So I'll tell [you about] my background on PEMF. PEMF is pulsed electromagnetic frequency for any of you who don't know. I've had a lot of colleagues—in fact, one of my dearest friends, a naturopath, has a NASA version $20,000 PEMF mat. She kept telling me: “Jill, this is amazing. You need to get this.” But guess what? Even [for] me, $20,000 is a huge investment so I was like: “Oh, that's a lot of money. I don't have the money for that.” And of course, most patients don't have disposable income just to go buy a NASA version.
Dr. Jill 08:13
So when you guys first came out with a PEMF map, I actually asked. I'm like: “This is really cool, but look at this price. The price is under $1,000.” I'm like, “How can that be the version of your mat?” And she was the one who said: “Jill, the technology is fairly simple. I think that you're probably going to get just as good results with something like that. Mine has a few extra bells and whistles, like attachments.” But for the price that you guys offer it for, [I thought], “I think it'll be good.” So I got one. And here's where it gets interesting, because I didn't know what to expect. I was just going to try it out. The first thing is that I like to research and I'd like to bring patients the best science, kind of like you were saying. And as I started to look, there was so much research on PEMF.
Lauren Berlingeri 08:59
Yes, it's just like infrared. When I discovered it, I was like: “Hold on, this is just like infrared—it's been around forever and no one knows about it. How is this possible?!”
Dr. Jill 09:07
Yes. And even more than infrared, I think [it is] even more obscure, which is sad. I've been a doctor in functional medicine for 20 years. I've heard of it, but again, I haven't gone into depth. So the first thing was like, “There's a lot of science.” And for the main science, these are just a few indications: Concussions, brain dementia, cognitive issues, and toxicity issues. There are lots and lots of studies on rehab of joints, muscles, tissues, and injuries, like, lots and lots of healing. There are studies on deep sleep and REM. And for my patients, most of their biggest issues are around injury, recovery, detoxification, brain fog and brain issues, and sleep.
Dr. Jill 09:07
Okay, so here's my experience. First of all, I love your mat. I'm going to show everybody real quick. I have a sheepskin pillow and blanket on it. [It is] underneath there, in the corner. I use it every single day, Lauren, twice a day, for 20 minutes. And my experience is this: First thing, setting one, which I think is like seven or eight hertz—it's like the… Let's see…
Lauren Berlingeri 10:07
Schumann's. Yes, it's the Schumann's resonance. It's similar to the earth's core frequency.
Dr. Jill 10:12
Yes. And this is the patients' experience too, now that I've been telling them. Now, I have an Oura ring so I can track this objectively.
Lauren Berlingeri 10:19
Oh yes. See, that's the key—tracking all of this. It's one thing to feel it but then you're like, “Hmm, I wonder if I really do feel it.” But then you start tracking it and you're like, “Whoa, this is crazy!”
Dr. Jill 10:29
Yes. Exactly. So I get good sleep. I'm not someone who can't sleep. But I went from one hour and 45 minutes—or sometimes, on a really good night, two hours of deep sleep—in seven hours of my total sleep time. [Whereas] now I get, whenever I use that setting 1 for 20 minutes, at least two and a half hours of deep sleep, even if I get a total of five hours of sleep, which means I've gotten more than 50% of my night in deep sleep. This is unheard of. I was asking my friend, the neuropsychologist: “Is this normal? One night I had 62% deep sleep.” She's like, “That is not normal, Jill.” I'm like, “I'm superhuman!”
Dr. Jill 11:07
But it's so consistent. I can track and show you data after data point of my deep sleep. At least for me personally, it is absolutely better and more correlated. And what I found in the last several months of using this: I always needed seven or eight hours, and as I've worked with the nervous system and healing, now I can get six or seven. I like seven. Seven and a half is ideal. If I go less than six and a half, I notice. I don't like to do this too many nights in a row, but I can go easily with a five-hour night's sleep and feel amazing because of that mat.
Lauren Berlingeri 11:38
Yes, that's so good. That's an amazing testimonial right there. I mean, at least you get off the mat. My husband falls asleep on it, and I have to wake him up at like ten o'clock at night. I'm like, “You need to come into bed.” And sometimes he is like, “No, I'm going to stay on this mat.”
Dr. Jill 11:52
I know. And then I wanted you to talk about in a second—I've got one more story to tell—the heat and then the ions, because you've got some other features there that are amazing. So the other thing I've noticed is… Some people know my history. I had cancer at 25, Crohn's at 26, severe mold illness in my late 30s, and recovered from all this. I am a professional biohacker, so I do it on myself and then teach patients. But the one thing that's been fairly long-term—and I always believed that I could start to heal this, but I haven't actually seen a lot of traction—are my total immunoglobulins, whether it's from cancer or it preceded that, are low. So I have an immune deficiency.
Dr. Jill 12:29
My theory on this is that I've had Crohn's and issues with the gut. And my gut is in great shape. But as many of you patients know as well, leaky gut can be a long-term thing. And because of my history of the damage from the chemotherapy and Crohn's disease, I've still had somewhat of a permeable gut. Now, I don't feel poorly, but what happens for me is that I actually have protein-wasting enteropathy. Now, that's a long word that just means it's kind of like I had Swiss cheese for gut. I leak out protein, no matter how much protein I eat. So my protein albumin levels are always a little low and my immunoglobulins, which are just proteins in the blood—they're antibodies—are low. So that all probably comes from gut issues.
Dr. Jill 13:10
Well, Lauren, when I started doing this mat within four weeks of using the 3 and 4 settings… I think the 3 is a little better for the brain, in my opinion, and the 4 is a little bit better for healing. So in the 4th setting, that higher hertz, I think we're in like 22.5 up to 40 hertz, maybe in that range, what I saw within four weeks—again, objectively, this is lab data for the first time in five years—[was that] my protein and albumin were normal. I literally looked at my labs and I'm like, ‘Holy' you know what. I've never seen this happen.
Dr. Jill 13:40
And then I said, “What have I been doing differently? I'm not taking any new supplements. My life is the same. Ah, the mat!” And then I was like, “Okay, I'm going to prove this because I'm going to consistently do this every day.” What happened was that my protein albumin maintained normal [levels], and within 10 weeks, my Ig level was normal. And then for the first time, after probably 12 weeks of using that mat consistently, my Ig level was way above… So the normal [range] there is like 800 to 1500. For the first time in five years, it was 2000.
Lauren Berlingeri 14:12
I don't know how I didn't know this story. I'm like, jaw-dropped on the floor.
Dr. Jill 14:16
I know! I was like, “I can't wait to talk to you about it!” Literally, for five years, I've been trying to hack my immune system. And I know that for me, my immune system is related to my gut permeability. Again, my gut feels great day to day. I have great function. I eat really clean. I eat what I want. So I don't feel symptoms. But my labs for five years since the mold have been showing this issue with protein wasting. And I believe with all my heart that there's no other explanation, Lauren, than your mat.
Lauren Berlingeri 14:42
Do you think it's the deeper pulsing in the stomach that it gets to more of your organs, which is the way that you increase blood flow and circulation and maybe get more blood there and it heals?
Dr. Jill 14:50
Yes. And it makes sense, doesn't it?
Lauren Berlingeri 14:52
Yes. Well, I think it could do a bunch of different things. Definitely, by working on your nervous system, calming you down, and getting deeper sleep, you're going to rest and digest and repair at night. That's when you do your healing. So I think it has to do something with that too. And then, I think, the deeper PEMF for sure. They heal bone with PEMF technology.
Dr. Jill 15:10
I know. I've been talking to my patients with osteoporosis or osteopenia; I'm like, “Get a mat!” I talk about your mat every day. And again, she's not paying me. I'm literally here because I can't talk enough about… I am a professional biohacker, which means you name a device—kind of like you in your day—I buy it. I try it. I love to try new things. I haven't been this excited about anything in five years.
Lauren Berlingeri 15:36
Aw, that makes me feel so happy; you have no idea! This is the reason why we do this—ultimately, to bring these healing technologies to everyone in the world. The only thing that I felt truly passionate about was sharing these technologies, experiences, and products with people and ultimately helping make people feel better. That's it. The key at the end of the day is that we all just want to feel better, especially during these times when we realize the most important thing is our health and happiness.
Dr. Jill 16:06
Yes. And thank you for doing this. I know we're just about out of time but we'll have to do this again.
Lauren Berlingeri 16:11
We just talk about a million different things here. I feel like we've just scratched the surface.
Dr. Jill 16:15
I know. I just like, threw up on the camera. [laughter] But I was going to say that the other thing is that I believe in it so much that I paid for mats for every staff member and all of my family. And I'm not tooting my own horn here. I love health, and if I can give a gift of health this Christmas… My staff got mats and [so did] my family. I have five siblings and parents. So this is not a small number of mats. I think I bought 12 or maybe 14 mats in the last—
Lauren Berlingeri 16:41
Oh, man, you're making me look bad. I didn't even get my family the mats until this Christmas, and I was like: “You have to wait because we're on backorder.” I'm the one that gets punished the most. You have to take care of your clients before [anything]. But to be honest with you, we've had an issue trying to keep the products in stock. We could have just never guessed what was going to happen.
Dr. Jill 17:02
Talk a little bit about that because I've seen that. I actually have three friends that we got some for and they're still waiting, but I totally get it. That's a great problem to have, right?
Lauren Berlingeri 17:12
Yes. We didn't plan for COVID. Just to give you guys a little bit more color, we originally started by opening infrared spa locations in New York. Before COVID, we had 11 locations. So once COVID hit, you could imagine we went from 11 locations down to one. But the blessing of it all was that we were selling the infrared sauna blanket for almost two years, maybe a year and a half before COVID hit anyway. We already saw that part of the business growing at 400% versus our spa location business growing at 25%, so we had already started to pivot way before COVID hit. Thank God we did because we were just in a perfect position to be accelerated during COVID, which is exactly what happened. You know, everyone's at home; they're investing in their wellness, wanting to do these things that build their immune system. They give you something to do and make you feel good. So we just sold way more than we could have ever expected.
Lauren Berlingeri 18:10
Having a business is a whole other beast. You need money for inventory and you've got to ramp up your supply. And there were a lot of things that needed to shift in the business. I still consider ourselves a small business. We're just four employees and a bunch of contractors. So definitely, in the last month, I would say, we've figured out all of our strategies moving forward. And we are going to be back in stock in two weeks. But definitely order now because it's really difficult to keep it. And you don't want to be stuck on that pre-order list for two or three months, which is kind of what happened. And it's so heartbreaking because all we want to do is give this amazing technology to everyone. But now we know who was buying them all!
Dr. Jill 18:56
That's right; I'm the reason. Well, good. If you're listening on Instagram, Facebook, or wherever you hear us, we will put links. So if you want to purchase… And you can get a discount, I think my special code for $75 off is Jill75. So be sure to use that because you can get the discount. And, Lauren, thank you for all you do. We'll be in touch, I know, because I'm a huge fan. And if [there is] anything I can do to support your company, I will. It's changed my life.
Lauren Berlingeri 19:26
You already have. Thank you so much. I appreciate you having me on as a guest. And yes, let's do this again. I love talking to like-minded, amazing women.
Dr. Jill 19:35
Awesome. Stay well.
Lauren Berlingeri 19:36
Thank you.
![204: Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill: Can our Minds Spontaneously Transform our Health? Bruce Lipton Dr. Jill 00:00 Hey guys, I am so excited to announce that the movie that you've been waiting for, the documentary Doctor/Patient, is now available for rent or purchase at DoctorPatientMovie.com. Check out the trailer here. 00:13 Dr. Jill: When I really knew something was wrong, was when I started having trouble walking up the stairs. I was supposed to be grateful and happy and healing and well and thriving, but I did not feel that way. I was so sick. Like always, I wanted to find an answer, and I had to figure it out. And I had to figure it out to save my own life. So I dove in. 00:38 James Maskell: Jill is the leading voice in biotoxin illness and chronic conditions that are driven by toxicity. 00:43 Bree Argetsinger: Oh my gosh, you're dealing with mold? You have to work with Dr. Jill Carnahan. 00:47 Patient 1: Dr. Jill is the first person that actually began to shed some light on the problem. 00:53 Dr. Jill: What I do is listen to the patient, and we together talk about what else is possible. 00:59 Patient 2: I don't know why I'm crying. 01:02 Patient 3: She saved my life. 01:06 Dr. Jill: The deepest lessons and most profound insights come in the suffering, come in the dark moments. Self-compassion is the healing transition that shifts something inside of us. It's actually the thing that we need most in order to heal. 01:26 Narrator: Doctor/Patient—available now at DoctorPatientMovie.com. Dr. Jill 01:36 Hey, welcome to Resiliency Radio, your go-to podcast for cutting-edge insights in functional and integrative medicine. I'm your host, Dr. Jill. In each episode, we dive into the heart of healing and personal transformation. Join us as we connect with renowned experts, thought leaders, and innovators who are at the forefront of medical research, empowering you with knowledge and wisdom to overcome illness in your journey to optimal health. Dr. Jill 02:02 Hey guys, if you don't already know, if you've been around me at all, you know my movie, Doctor/Patient is now out. You can view it, share it, gift it, or rent it at DoctorPatientMovie.com. Be sure to check it out and then I would love to hear your feedback after you've had a chance to watch it. Dr. Jill 02:19 Today, I am deeply honored to have guest Bruce Lipton here with me. He's a PhD, a cell biologist, a lecturer, and an internationally recognized leader in bridging science and spirit. We were just talking before we came on about how he has been a leader [for] decades before a lot of us in functional/integrative medicine came along. And I am so excited! If you're a doctor listening—and I know I have a lot of audience there—you are in for a treat. If you're a patient, you're also in for a treat. Stay tuned. Dr. Jill 02:47 Bruce was on the faculty of the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and later performed groundbreaking stem cell research at Stanford University. He's a best-selling author of The Biology of Belief—if you haven't read that book, it's a classic now—The Honeymoon Effect, and the co-author with Steve Bhaerman of Spontaneous Evolution. Bruce received his prestigious 2009 Goi Peace Award from Japan in honor of his scientific contribution to world harmony. Bruce, it is a true honor and delight to have you here! Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 03:17 Jill, I am a happy person to be here because this audience that I get a chance to talk to, to me, is a very important audience. These are the cultural creatives that are paving the way for the future that we need to get into very soon because we're facing an evolutionary upheaval at this very moment. Whether you watch the news, surf the web, or even look out your window, the whole planet has experienced chaos at every level of it. People are focusing on the little chaos, like focusing on the trees, without pulling back to see the biggest thing that's happening and nobody's saying the words. NASA—Let me just say NASA's words. NASA has recognized that within the next 20 years, civilization is facing—and this is my emphasis here—an irreversible collapse. The reason is so mathematically simple. Let me give the math. Dr. Jill 04:16 Sure. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 04:17 Science has recognized that to continue living just the way we're living—just say, let's every day live the way we're living today on this planet—it takes 1.6 planet Earths to provide the resources for today's civilization. The simple math is this: There's one Earth subtracted from 1.6, and we're recognizing: "Where the hell are we getting the extra points?" Dr. Jill 04:39 We're in a deficit. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 04:40 And that deficit is leading to the destruction of the web of life. We have to also recognize this: Even though the Bible is giving us some fanciful story that nature was created and then humans were added on top of nature—no, we evolved from nature. We are nature. If nature goes down, humans go down, because we are part of this web of life. Our separation in our consciousness [that causes us to believe] that we can dominate nature, I say, "How's that working?" I say, "We're facing an extinction." That's a biological reality at this moment. It's called a mass extinction. It happened five times in the history of this planet: Life was thriving, [then] mass extinction. It knocked it all out and then it started again. We are there because of our behavior. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 05:33 And I say, "Our behavior is based on our consciousness." I go: "Okay, wait a second. Is that New Age?" I go: "No, let's stop. No New Age here at this moment." [In] 1927—day one, quantum physics—Max Planck, the founding father of quantum physics, states: "The mind is the creator of our life experiences." Quantum physics—the most valid of all the sciences today in the sense of its predictions and accuracy. Quantum physics. And it's still the belief in quantum physics: Consciousness is controlling this. And I go: "So if consciousness is controlling this, then why are we in such a mess?" The answer is: We have been programmed, and the programming has disempowered us all. It has disempowered us as patients. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 06:28 I go: "I'll give you a program that disempowers you right now." I say, "What is it?" "It's called genetic determinism." That was what I was teaching in medical school: Genes control the character of life. I go: "Did we pick the genes as far as we know? No. But if we don't like the characters we have, can we change the genes? No, can't do that." And then let's just add a little tidbit: Genes turn on and off by themselves. And I say: "You put those together and what have you done? You have told the patients that their lives are not in their control, they're controlled by their heredity, and that they're victims of heredity. Which is victims of what? Genetics. And what does a person know about genetics? Nothing. Who does know something? The doctor. Aha! The program is: When it comes to health, people do not trust themselves." They say: "I need an expert opinion. I'm not knowledgeable." They accept the truth from somebody else. Dr. Jill 07:28 I so love the direction that you're going here because, as a physician, one of the most important things I can do is empower the patient and make sure that they don't think that I am the end-all-be-all. [I want them to know] that we are collaborating and that I listen to them, and I say: "How do you feel about this treatment plan? Where do you want to go?" Granted, if I have wisdom, I can give them that information, but they still get to make that decision. But so many patients are outsourcing that wisdom to someone. Or, at least paternalistically and historically, that has been the way. And what we need to do is take control of our own health. Dr. Jill 08:00 How many patients have gone through a loved one with breast cancer—I'm a breast cancer survivor, so I can speak on this—and they're told, "You have the BRCA gene and you need to have a bilateral mastectomy"? I'm going to be strong about this because I disagree. That's an action out of fear. To each his own, so if you've been out there and have done something based on your genetics, there's no judgment here. But what we're saying is that you actually have control over the expression of those genes. So why don't you go into epigenetics for those who don't know what that means and tell us a little primer on epigenetics and why we have more control than we think? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 08:34 Okay. The most important thing—and this is all scientific, so this is not any new age BS here, folks, this is science—I say: "What is it?" The belief that genes turn on and off is a completely false statement because a gene is a blueprint to make a protein. The proteins are the building blocks. Proteins wear out; you have to replace them. So you have to have a blueprint. It's called a gene. I go, "It's a blueprint!" I go, "Why is that relevant?" I say: "Go to an architect's office. She's working on a blueprint. You ask her, 'Hey, is your blueprint on or off?' She would look at you like, 'What are you talking about? There's no on and off to a blueprint.'" I go: "Aha! Aha! A gene is a blueprint. What you want to find out is: Who's the architect who reads the blueprint? The blueprint does not read itself. There's an architect." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 09:24 I saw this in my research in 1967. None of you were probably old enough to know what I'm talking about—1967! But I was cloning stem cells. Let's give the real name of a stem cell: An embryonic cell. It's an embryo's cell. It replaces things that are broken and gets a new one. I go: "So what? I clone the stem cell." I say, "What's that?" I say: "You put one stem cell in the culture dish. And then what? It divides every 10 or 12 hours." So first there's one, then there's 2, then there's 4, 8, and 16. A week later, [there are] 30,000 cells in the petri dish. What's the most important fact? They all came from one parent. I have 30,000 genetically identical cells. I split them into three petri dishes—one, two, three. Each dish has 10,000, 10,000, 10,000, all genetically the same. We grow cells in a culture medium. Ah, this is going to be the tricky part, for when you get this, the world changes. I'm going to come back to it. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 10:27 I say: "A culture medium is what the cells grow in in the lab. And I make it up by putting the chemistry or culture medium. Since I'm creating it, I can change some of the constituents. So I make three different versions of culture medium, A, B, and C." So I say, "So what?" Each one represents a different environment because the cells live in a culture medium. So I say: "Okay, dish one, environment A—the cells form muscle. Dish two, environment B—the cells form bone. Dish three, environment C—the cells form fat cells." I'm doing this experiment. I'm teaching genetic determinism, and I'm watching the cells and going— Dr. Jill 11:10 Wait a second. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 11:11 —"Wait a second, who controlled the activity?" They were all genetically the same. What was different? The environment. The chemistry of the environment selected the genes. The genes did not select themselves. Then, all of a sudden, I said, "Why is this important?" It's a revolution! I'll tell you why. Genetic determinism: Victim. The new science, epigenetics, which I'll explain: Master. Why? Because you control the environment. It's the environment that controls the cells. It's called epigenetics. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 11:48 [There's a] simple reason why the name [is what it is]. What do we call skin? Epidermis. Why? What's under the skin? A layer called dermis. What's the skin above the dermis? Epidermis. Epi: Above. Epigenetics: Control above the genes. I go, "Whoa, the control is not in the genes." I said: "No, it's to control the environment that the genes live in." I go, "Well, wait, I control the environment." Aha! If you control the environment, then you control the genetics. And that's all of a sudden where the new science comes in. The genetic determinism: Victim. Epigenetics: Master. You control your genes. So basically, what I saw back in 1967 was, "The genes didn't make this decision." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 12:48 Now let's just jump ahead a second here because that's a basic science. And then I'm going to give you this, which you're totally aware of: You are a skin-covered petri dish. You have 50 trillion cells under your skin and you have the original culture medium. What is a culture medium? I didn't say it before, but I'll tell you where it is: A laboratory version of blood. When I grow human cells, I concoct a culture medium based on the constituents of human blood or mouse blood, depending on which cells I'm growing. What's the point? You are a skin-covered culture dish with what? The original culture medium. You have the blood. The blood carries the chemistry, which activates the genes. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 13:34 So the first point: Scientifically, it doesn't make a difference if the cell is in a plastic dish or a skin dish? I said, "No, it's the environment." And I say the environment in your body is the blood for the cells. Then come two questions that blow the game into a new evolution. Question number one: What controls the chemistry of the blood? The answer is the brain. It's the chemist. The big one—here it is, hold on: What chemistry should the brain put into the blood? You know what it is? Whatever picture you hold in your mind, the brain translates the picture into complimentary chemistry that matches the picture. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 14:25 I say, "So why is this important?" The picture in your head becomes material in your body. You manifest what you're thinking. I go: "Wait a minute. Would I manifest this life? Would I manifest my cancer?" I go, "Yes." I go, "You say that so affirmatively." I go: "Quantum physics—the most valid science principle number one [is that] the mind is the creator of our experience." I go: "Well, epigenetics is the biological component of that physics mechanism." Epigenetics is how the mind adjusts the genetics of the body. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 15:05 And I go, "We're facing a healthcare crisis on this planet." I go, "Yes, we are facing a healthcare crisis." And I go, "What's responsible?" We put all the money into science. You know what we're looking for? We're looking for the gene—the gene that controls that problem. Guess what? Less than 1% of all diseases on this planet have any connection with genes. Wait, then that means only less than 1% of what we diagnose as disease is connected with genes. I go, "Yes, that's a fact." Then what is really contributing to the worldwide crisis in healthcare? The answer is: Stress is 90% the cause of disease, minimum. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 15:54 I go: "Okay, come on! How could that do that?" Let's give the biology because it's not New Age again. You're ready? When you're in stress, you're in threat. When you're in threat, you engage a protection response. I say, "What is a protection response?" The protection response is: When you perceive stress, you will release stress hormones, adrenal hormones. I go, "Yes, so what?" Well, what do you think the adrenal hormones do? They prepare the body for fight or flight. I go, "So what?" I say: "First of all, there are three stages to take a body from health, happiness, joy—I'm in the garden, I love my life—to 'Ah! A sabertooth tiger's chasing me!'" I say, "So I have to switch from growth, boom, into protection." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 16:41 How does that happen? Three steps. Number one, stress hormones cause the blood vessels in the gut to constrict. Why? Because most of the blood is in the gut. I say, "Who cares?" I say: "Ah, but the blood is a source of energy. So if you need energy, you need blood." So I say, "So what's the point?" I say: "Most of the blood is in the gut, taking care of the body, cleaning, fixing, repairing, nourishing, and doing all those things. But the moment stress hormones come in, the blood vessels squeeze shut. People feel it in the body." "It's queasy. I feel very queasy when I'm in fear like this." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 17:16 I say: "But some people say butterflies in the stomach. Why?" The fluttering of the blood vessels shutting down—you can feel it. And it's a fluttering. And what's happening? The blood is being pushed to the arms and legs, and that's where I need to run away from that damn tiger. So number one, redistribute the blood. Where do I take it from? [From] growth and maintenance to protection. So I'm not funding growth and maintenance when I'm running from the tiger. I go, "No, you're not." Number two, the immune system is to protect me on the inside. If I'm being chased by a saber-toothed tiger, then what's the value of the immune system? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 17:55 I'll give you a scenario. Come on, doctors, listen to this. The patient's got a bacterial infection. They're going to have a real bad case of diarrhea coming up here and they're being chased by a saber-toothed tiger. How would you split the energy of the body? How much to support the immune system and how much of that energy to run away from the saber-toothed tiger? I'll give you a second. Okay, thank you. The answer is, of course, who cares about the immune system? If the tiger chased you, the bacteria are not your problem anymore, that's for sure. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 18:26 Listen, stress hormones shut down the immune system to conserve energy. And you know damn well that when people are sick, sometimes they don't even have the energy to get out of bed because the immune system uses a hell of a lot of energy. If you're being chased by a tiger: I can't support the immune system because if the tiger gets me, who cares about what's happening in the interior?—it's not mine anymore. It's so important—in fact, therapeutic—that when they transplant an organ from person A into person B and they don't want immunological rejection, they give the recipient stress hormones before the operation. That restricts the function of the immune system so it doesn't immediately reject the foreign graft. Ah, so stress hormones are used therapeutically to shut off the immune system. So I say, "Yes, what do you think stress does automatically?" That's number two. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 19:21 Number three, conscious processing is slow compared to reflex behavior. Conscious [processing] is like, "Oh, let me think." Reflex is boom! Boom! Like that. The point is, if you're running from a saber-toothed tiger, conscious processing is going to delay your nervous system because you'll be thinking. When that tiger is coming, guess what? Remember the role of the stress hormone—to squeeze the blood vessels here? They squeeze the blood vessels in the forebrain. I say, "Why?" Because it stops the blood flow from going to the conscious mind. Where's it going? The hindbrain—reflex behavior. Result: We become less intelligent in the fear process. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 20:11 So I say: "Let's put these all together. I shut down growth, I shut down the immune system, and I shut off conscious awareness." I go: "When was that system formed?" "Oh, a couple hundred thousand years ago." I say: "What was it responding to?" "The saber-toothed tiger?" I go: "So what was important?" "If you escape that tiger for five minutes or ten minutes, there's no more saber-toothed tiger, no more stress." So it was used for five to ten minutes. Shut it down [for] five to ten minutes; we'll come back later. In today's world—you know the whole thing—every day, every minute, we're in stress. The system was never designed for chronic stress. It shuts down the vitality, health, and maintenance of the body. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 21:01 The stresses of this world are responsible for over 90% of healthcare crises. This is recognized by the American Psychological Society: 95% of visits to doctors' offices [are] stress-related. I was a programmer. And I'm not proud now because, when I programmed, people used to believe in genetic determinism. I go: "No, no. I was wrong. Epigenetics, okay?" But we've been programmed to be victims. Dr. Jill 21:32 Yes. First of all, I think doctors are starting, at least in my realm of functional/integrative—we're talking epigenetics; we're using this. And I just want to share a personal example to bring home what you just shared. It's so important. Many of my listeners know that at 25, I had breast cancer, then Crohn's disease, and then autoimmunity. I'm the poster child. What I remember very clearly is that in my 30s, I got mold-related toxicity. My immune system was terribly trashed and overactive and I was under high stress. I remember one day walking along and realizing: "This stress that is in my body is actually killing me." I had the mentality [of] "beating cancer," "fighting cancer," "fighting this," "fighting that"—fighting, fighting, fighting—which is your saber-toothed tiger [description]. I was in fight or flight. Dr. Jill 22:16 The day I realized that was the day I realized I could also reprogram my immune system through my thoughts. That day I started thinking [up] a new paradigm, thinking about these little yellow minions being my immune system. They were helping escort mold toxicity out of my body without this fight because, [in] fight or flight, there's no healing. And now, today, I'm healed from that and from mold-related illness and all of this. But it's really that moment when I realized I could change my thought process, change the function of my immune system, recover from Crohn's, cancer, and toxic mold, and no longer fight. Dr. Jill 22:53 And the most important message, as you brought home, is that when I'm sitting with a patient, if they're in fear, if they are in fight or flight, and if they are feeling unsafe in their body, there is no amount of pills, supplements, IVs, nutrition, or even good advice that I can give them… Unless they go to that place of unsafeness, that place of fear, that place where they're still somatically running from the tiger. We have to change that, and it starts with this. Dr. Jill 23:22 So I love, love, love that you framed this. And I just want to give you credit because you've been doing this work for decades before anyone else was talking about it. And now we're seeing it. And finally, doctors in my field are starting to acknowledge and talk about it. But even in my field, functional medicine is a lot about supplements, diet, and lifestyle. That's all great. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 23:40 Well, that's environment! Dr. Jill 23:41 Right? Right. Actually, that's the thing I was going to mention too. My specialty is environmental toxicity, so I know the petri dish of how it affects our bodies. But I do believe, as you're saying, that this reprogramming of our mind… Do you have any stories or examples, maybe from your book, of a patient, client, or somebody who has read your book who really took this and changed from there? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 24:03 I've got hundreds and hundreds of letters from people who've written. There were two things about this. Let me express it even in my personal life. I understood this from a scientific point of view. Man, it was in my laboratory, my research. It was repeatable; I could do this all the time. It took 23 years before science caught up with that observation. I [inaudible] a lot of other things in between to conform. And the reality is that our own understanding about our frailty—it's an understanding. And then I give an understanding of, "No, we're very powerful." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 24:42 I was so happy to go and find an audience of doctors and people: "Let me explain how to create the most wonderful life. Here's the science!" And then they'd come to my lecture and they'd look at me and go: "Lipton, your life doesn't look that good for a guy who says you know this." Oh my God, I was caught. You know what it was? Talking the talk, not walking the talk. I knew the science. It was in my head. Did I make it part of my life? No! I say: "So what was the point? I don't care how smart you are; if you don't make a part of your life, it's irrelevant." Totally! Then all of a sudden, when I caught myself going, "Oh, do as I say, not as I do," it's like, "I can't do that!" So I had to say: "Stop lecturing. Start living your life with the principles you are telling other people. Live this now." How long did it take me to change my life? Oh, within a month, my life was completely on a whole different spectrum. And it was like, "Now, of course, I start talking about it again," because it was real. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 25:47 Let me just give a simple understanding, a scientific understanding, and that is this: The mind is not one thing. "Oh, the mind." I go: "No, not the mind. There are two minds. And they're interdependent, but they have different functions." The conscious mind, the latest evolution: The prefrontal cortex, right behind your forehead, [is] the seat of the conscious mind. What's that? The conscious mind is your source, your personal identity, your spiritual place. What else is it? It's creative! That's what makes humans different than all the other animals. We can take ideas, boom, build them, and create in the conscious mind. What about the subconscious mind? Oh, the original one? Hard drive, programs, habits, stored behavior. Thinking? Uh-uh. Just behavior—program. Dr. Jill 26:38 The subconscious has no way to differentiate truth, right? It does whatever you tell it to do. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 26:44 No, well, the subconscious doesn't do what you tell it to do; it does what it tells it to do. The subconscious is the autopilot. I say, yes, the mind works, but you have to understand that when I'm in the conscious mind, that is the creative side. That's the side with wishes, desires, and aspirations. What do you want? Conscious mind. Subconscious mind: Program. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 27:09 I say, "So what's the issue with our life when it comes down to it?" The monkey wrench that blows the whole thing out is that when the conscious mind is thinking, it's not paying attention to the outer world. A thought is inside. When you're present, your conscious mind is looking at the world and engaging the world. Right now, in front of it, I'm engaging it. But if I'm thinking, my conscious mind is no longer looking out; it's looking in because a thought is on the inside. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 27:38 So I say, "Wait, what if I'm driving the car and I have a thought?" And I've got to tell you, in fact: Then you're not driving the car. "What do you mean? No accident or nothing." I say: "Driving is a program. You don't have to think about driving." In fact, most of the time, if you've been driving for a long time, you never think about the details of driving. It's an automatic behavioral program. It plays when you're not paying attention. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 28:02 I go: "Aha! When the conscious mind is thinking, it's not paying attention to the outer world. Why? It's inside." So I say: Walking, driving, talking, doing your job—hey, those are habits. You've been doing it all—whatever [it is]—for a long period of time. You don't have to re-learn it. It's automatic. Do you even have to think about walking? No, you didn't even have to say: "Oh, I'm going to walk from here to there. I'm going to get that." I say: "Walking is automatic. You don't think about it—program." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 28:37 So then comes the number and this is scientific: Ninety-five percent of the day is the average person's amount of thinking. Then what does that represent? Biologically, only five percent of the day are you creating your life with the conscious mind's wishes and desires. Ninety-five percent of the day your life is coming from programs that you downloaded mainly before age seven. And I go, "Where did I get the programs?" I go: "Before age seven, your brain is not primarily functioning at the level of consciousness, which in EEG terms is alpha, beta, and gamma. When you're under seven, you're operating primarily at theta, which is just below consciousness." Theta—imagination. Hey, the tea party: Pour nothing into the cup. Drink the nothing. "The best tea I ever had in my life!" That's imagination. That's theta. That's what kids do all the time. They can have imaginary friends. They play with them all the time. It's imagination. Theta is hypnosis. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 29:41 I go, "Why is that important?" How many rules does it take to be a member of a family? How many rules does it take to be a member of a community? Now we're talking thousands. I go, "Why is that important?" I said, "Well, teach an infant a thousand rules." I go: "They can't read a book. They can't sit in a classroom. They can't understand a video." I said: "How are they going to learn?" Nature took care of that. Nature gave the first seven years theta, which is hypnosis. You want to know the behavior? Watch your mother, watch your father, watch your community. Watch their behavior; download it. Now it's your behavior! Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 30:19 So the behavior that's in your subconscious mind didn't even come from you, did it? Nope, it came from other people. And did they answer your wishes and desires—what you'd like? Not necessarily. So then, are there programs in there that give you what your wishes and desires are? Not necessarily, no. In fact, I say, "So what about these programs?" Sixty percent of the things you downloaded as a kid—sixty percent of the subconscious programs [are] disempowering, self-sabotaging, and limiting beliefs. And you operate ninety-five percent of the day from them. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 30:53 Ah, but here's the monkey wrench you didn't catch! Why am I using my subconscious programs? Because my conscious mind's not paying attention; it's thinking. Well, then, do you see the programs when they come out? I go: "Nope! You're the only one who doesn't even see the program!" Why? Everybody else around you is responding to your program. You're not even paying attention [to] what the hell is coming out. Sixty percent of it [is] disempowering yourself. So the issue is this: We are not controlling our lives. Our program controls our lives. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 31:28 I say, "Oh, this is a new science." I go: "Scientifically, this is valid. This is understanding theta activity, downloading programs, conscious, subconscious, blah, blah, blah, blah." But the Jesuits knew about programming for 400 years. They would tell their followers, "Give me a child until it is seven, and I will show you the man." Oh my God, that's 100% right! The programming is before age seven, and 95% of the life is the program. They knew it. They created Catholic schools to help the programming go along. And that idea is never lost because if you can watch an infant today, which I've seen carrying an iPad, interacting with a program on a computer, that's far better programming than Jesuits could ever have thought of. Dr. Jill 32:17 Yes, it's clear, isn't it? That's a really good transition because one of the things I see as the biggest crisis in healthcare is environment, but it's environment that is no longer socially interactive or present. We're numbing ourselves out with machines, with iPads, and with phones. They are designed to create an addictive behavior, so they're tapping into some of those subconscious programs, right? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 32:40 And let me just add this to that: It's not just that behavior, but it's also creating disempowering behaviors. So these programs—as you were just going to say, and I'll let you have it back again—were not designed to help us; they were designed to control us. Dr. Jill 33:05 Yes. And sell and control. Yes, so we are pawns in this new world of technology that is neurodynamically designed to be addictive. If you haven't seen The Social Dilemma, that's a great place to start in your education on social media and the impact. I do want to talk about this. One of the things you just got done saying is that before seven, we're programmed. I totally understand and believe that. But the truth is, we have the power to change that programming. Tell us about that. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 33:36 Most everybody out there has changed that programming. I say, "You've already done it." I say: "What, the movie The Matrix, being a documentary, everybody's programmed?" Yes, of course, that's the foundational belief of the movie and the reality. And in the movie, they offered the red pill. And I say: "What was the red pill? You get out of the program!" Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 33:54 I go, "Almost everybody out here right now listening has done that." I say: "What was the consequence? How did it happen?" I'm going to tell you. Falling in love is a red pill. I go, "What do you mean?" Because when you first fall in love, you stop thinking. Biologically, you stay present; you stay in the conscious, creative mind. You've waited for this person your whole life. They're there. What, you want to start thinking and then ignore them? Are you kidding me? You stay up conscious. You stay mindful. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 34:23 I say, "So what happened?" I say: "Your life up to meeting that person: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You meet them [and] 24 hours later: 'Oh, man, life is beautiful. Life is so wonderful. Hey, the food's really good. That music is even better than I ever thought it was.'" And even the crappy job is not so crappy. I said: "What'd you do?" You made honeymoon. What's honeymoon? Heaven on earth. I said, "What was your heaven on earth?" Whatever you wished and desired. You and a partner coming together when you're both wishing and desiring, you're sharing the same wishes and desires, you manifest a honeymoon. Oops, I dropped something, but okay. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 35:01 Is the honeymoon already there? I go, "The honeymoon's always there." I said, "Then how come you don't have it?" Because when you start thinking, you then go back to subconscious control, the default. And the problem is, why do 50% of marriages end up in divorce? The answer is this: Marriage has started with the relationship of two conscious creative minds sharing together a belief in creating a honeymoon, and it ends when thinking enters into the people and they start playing their regular programs, which are 60% negative. The partner hears these programs. The one saying the thing doesn't hear it; the other one hears it. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 35:43 I love the response. When somebody comes out in a relationship and the loving partner hears some kind of BS come out of their other partner, they look at them and go: "Who are you? Where did you come from?" What? It was never part of the behavior. And then, all of a sudden, it shows up. And the more thinking, the more that negativity shows up. There's a point where a partner will say: "That's enough. That's not why I signed up here. I signed up because we had a great honeymoon." After you started thinking, this thing went right down the tube. The point is, that's what reality is about. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 36:18 So the idea then becomes simple, which is the obvious thing: "What if I created all programs that represented my wishes and desires—if I had those programs?" I said: "Oh, you know what? Whether you're consciously creating those wishes and desires or your conscious mind is off in left field, your subconscious will be manifesting the wishes and desires. And guess what? A honeymoon is not a short period. A honeymoon is every day of your life for as long as you live." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 36:46 Does it work? Personally, I had some very bad programming when I was young because my mother and father had a dysfunctional relationship. I downloaded my father's dysfunctional behavior. I played it when I couldn't see it. The result is that I couldn't get relationships off the ground. Then I understood the nature of the programming. Then I understand the nature of reprogramming. Around 50, I met my partner, Margaret. We just celebrated 28 years! And I'm not selling just a relationship; I'm talking honeymoon for 28 years. To wake up every day in my life and go: "Oh my God, I'm still here. Oh my God, I have another day to smell the roses, to have a piece of cake, to enjoy the love, watch the environment, and love my life." I celebrate life. Jill celebrates life. What's the result? Where's the illness? What illness? Dr. Jill 37:45 Yes! I love that. There are some points that I think are so crucial that you just made, number one, being present with our partners, watching them in real time and observing them. So often we create a program of them, a template, and then we don't expect them to change. Or, we expect them to behave the same. And when we're in real time, present with another person—whether it's a friend, family member, business associate, or lover—we can respond in real time. And that's part of that co-creation that you're talking about. It's crucial. Dr. Jill 38:15 The other thing is that with illness, I find one thing that was—I'm sure this is related to the program, [and] I'd love your comments—I never identified with the cancer. I never became the cancer. I never made that part of who I was. Even now, I'm like, "Oh yes, 20 years ago, I had cancer." And of course, it's real, but it's almost foreign because it was never part of me. And I really believe that's a huge part of why I overcame a very, very aggressive cancer at the age of 25—because it never was my identity. Do you want to talk about that a little bit? Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 38:44 Yes, let's just talk about this. The first thing is that I'm going to give a fact of science [to] which [a person might say], "He really said that?" And I'm going to say, yes, I'm going to say this. There's not one gene that causes cancer. There's not a gene [where], "You have this gene, you get cancer." The one scary one for women, of course, [is] the breast cancer gene. I go, "So what?" I go: "Women who carry the breast cancer gene don't necessarily have to have cancer. As a matter of fact, nearly half of them don't get cancer. But they have the gene." So then I say, "Then where did the cancer come from?"—because those who have the cancer with the gene and those who are healthy with the gene have the same gene. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 39:20 What's the difference? The answer is this: Cancer is correlated with a gene, not caused by a gene. Cancer is caused by disharmony in the system. Disharmony is the source of disease. Harmony is the source of health. Disharmony means your programming wasn't really good, and you're responding to things in a negative way that is going to cause a breakdown of the system. That's where the stress comes into it. So the concept is this: The image—even if once you tell a woman, "Yes, you have the breast cancer gene," what the hell image do you think is going to be in her head? The answer is: Cancer. I go: "Yes, but isn't the function of the mind to take the image of the head and turn it into reality?" I go, "Absolutely! What's the consequence?" Ninety percent of cancer has no genetic linkage at all. Dr. Jill 40:14 Yes. That was the biggest question I got as a 25-year-old. Every single person, to a T: "Oh, did you have genes?" No, I didn't have genes. I had a dysfunctional system when I was in my 20s. That goes into a whole other lecture that I could give, but I was not living consciously. And there were some things, stress-wise, that were contributing. And it was the environmental toxic load. So all of these things are the petri dish. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 40:38 And more than that, there must have been the two programs. Eighty to ninety percent of all people will not test positive for two beliefs. Number one, and I think the most important, is the belief, "I love myself." Eighty percent of people will not test positive for that belief. Number two, and this is the one where the healthcare crisis comes from: "I am safe." When you have a picture of fear, then the chemistry of fear is to manifest the fear. When they say "This is it" and [show you] a picture of the tumor and everything, then you make the chemistry of the tumor. Then the idea is that we have to own quantum physics. Consciousness is the source of our life experiences. We have to understand the nature of epigenetics. Consciousness is the source of what controls our genes. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 41:07 The third thing that I think is part of the Renaissance that we really must emphasize at some point is Newtonian physics, which separates physical from non-physical, matter versus energy. It's an illusion. It's not real. But it programs us in a very bad way because the program says: "Whatever is made out of matter can only be affected by matter. Whatever is made out of energy can only be affected by energy." And I say, "So what's the consequence?" I say: "The body is matter. And what do you think the whole foundation of the pharmaceutical company is? The body is matter and we make the matter to fix the matter." Dr. Jill 42:16 Yes. What's the matter with that? [laughs] Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 42:18 Three hundred thousand people die in the US every year from prescription drugs, that's what's the matter with it, when less than 50,000—I think 30,000—people die from illegal drugs. We have a war on illegal drugs, and 300,000 people dying from pharmaceutical drugs is called the cost of doing medicine. I go: "That's damn expensive! We don't need that." Simple law of science: If a drug works, it only works because you already had a receptor for that drug on you. Do you think nature put receptors on cells, waiting for the pharmaceutical company to make a drug? No, come on, man! If you have a receptor for a drug, it's because you have a receptor for a drug that you make. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 43:01 I go, "I can make any drug." Of course, because any drug works because you have a receptor to connect it. If you have a receptor, then you obviously have a signal that will bind to that receptor. Then you say, "Well, it's not working." And that's where everything gets screwed up because that system isn't working and then you go right away: "Oh, the body is defective. The genes aren't working right. There's an interference with the physical." I go, "Yes, there was an interference because it didn't start down here; it started up here." And once you start to understand this, yes, treat the body if there's an immediate need to treat the body, but the process of treating the patient is treating this part. Knowledge is power. They do not have the knowledge of who they are. They're programmed [to think]: "I'm a victim of my genes and I have no power." I go, "Well, there's your problem." Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 43:54 And the issue about it is that you guys are in the front of the evolution that says: Okay, I can treat the patient, but I've really got to treat the consciousness of the patient. Why? Because, as quantum physics says, consciousness is the source of this creativity, and as epigenetics says, consciousness is the source of this expression. You cannot leave that out. Dr. Jill 44:18 You just talked about two beliefs that I think are critical and it's a great place to kind of wrap up. The first one is: Do we love ourselves? Do we really, really, truly love and accept ourselves? I have written a book and done a movie on that message. The heart of healing is: How do we show self-compassion and love? Because that is the only way that our cells will respond in health. Dr. Jill 44:41 The second thing was so crucial too, and that is the fear and the unsafety. This is where a physician in the office can make all the difference, because if they add to that fear message, guess what? That's just adding to that patient's unhealth. So one thing we are obligated to do as physicians is create a safe environment and teach that patient how to start to feel safe in their body. With those two beliefs, maybe in the last couple of minutes here, could you maybe give us some practical advice for somebody who's like: "How do I start doing that, Bruce? How do I feel safe in my body? And how do I love myself?" Because that, I couldn't agree more with you, is really the core message here. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 45:19 I'll tell you, let's get right to the root of why people do not love themselves. The answer is: Because parents act like coaches on a sports team. I go, "What does that mean?" A player isn't doing well. What does the coach say? "Oh, do better." No! The coach says: "That's not good enough. Who do you think you are? You don't deserve to be on this team." Well, a player is older than seven. They're in consciousness. They understand that the coach is saying, "You better do better!" Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 45:47 Now let's say the parent is the coach and the kid is under seven. There's no consciousness operating. What's operating? Hypnosis, programming. So when the father says, "That's not good enough, you don't deserve this, you're not lovable, you don't belong," blah, blah, blah—acting like the coach who says, "This is going to make them do better"—if the kid is under seven, you just programmed them to self-sabotage because the subconscious is going to create 95% of their life. And if I get a program "I do not deserve," when I'm thinking 95% of the day, what the hell program is running? "I do not deserve." So I could say something so stupid in my corporate structure or something, and somebody says, "That guy doesn't deserve to be here." And then, all of a sudden, I'm kicked out of the structure. Why? Because I myself made behavior to conform to "not good enough" and to not love myself. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 46:41 This is why that one's so important—because if you can't love yourself, I'm going to be honest, you can't accept love from somebody else. I go, "Why?" Because they say they love you, but in your mind, you're going: "Well, they don't know me, man. I know I'm not lovable." And you'll push them away. And then you'll find yourself with nobody around. And guess what you'll say? "You see?! I'm not lovable!" [inaudible] You just did that. And when it comes to "Do I have any power?" the answer is: No, it has been systematically deprived of them. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 46:59 I've got a minute; I've got to say this because this is really cool. There's a power struggle in the world. It's always been this way. There are three levels of power. Number one, caveman. Who's the biggest badass with the biggest club? Whatever they say, do it. They've got the power. Evolution came along. There are people then who control the resources that you need. And all of a sudden they say, "If you want those resources, you've got to give me something for this." And you know what? The ones who had the resources paid the caveman to hit you over the head if you didn't pay for the resources. Dr. Jill 47:53 A personal hitman. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 47:55 That's the king who owns the resources with an army of cavemen. Then I say, "But the last of the power struggles came down to 'knowledge is power.'" And it was recognized that, yes, that is the supreme power of everything. Knowledge is power. The first thing the church of Rome did was acknowledge: "We are the source of infallible knowledge. We are the source of truth. We say it; it's true." Well, you say, "I don't care." The point about it was that people gave up their power to the belief. And I say it here very quickly: There's a code behind the power brokers. I call it the powermongers' credo. I say, "What is it?" Are you ready? Give them the fear for free and then sell them the antidote. Dr. Jill (pre-recording) 48:46 Hey, everybody. I just stopped by to let you know that my new book, Unexpected: Finding Resilience through Functional Medicine, Science, and Faith, is now available for order wherever you purchase books. In this book, I share my own journey of overcoming a life-threatening illness and the tools, tips, tricks, hope, and resilience I found along the way. This book includes practical advice for things like cancer and Crohn's disease and other autoimmune conditions, infections like Lyme or Epstein-Barr, and mold- and biotoxin-related illnesses. What I really hope is that as you read this book, you find transformational wisdom for health and healing. If you want to get your own copy, stop by ReadUnexpected.com. There, you can also collect your free bonuses. So grab your copy today and begin your own transformational journey through functional medicine and finding resilience. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 50:59 "What do you want me to do? Put a mask on? Sure. I'll mask on. I can't visit my mom, who's dying in a nursing home?" "No, you have to give that up because you can't do that." "Really?" Dr. Jill 51:09 Yes. If you're controlled, then fear created the biology of illness. It really, really is a great analogy. Bruce, this has been so fun to dive deep. I love talking to you. I love your enthusiasm. I love your wisdom. And I love most of all that you were so far ahead of the curve because people are kind of coming along to this belief. But the truth is, you were one of the very first ones writing and talking about this. And I'm just grateful that way back in the day, in the lab, you saw this and started writing about it. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D. 51:44 I can't be any happier than I am for myself! I have a different life! I have a different life than before that discovery. Dr. Jill 51:53 Yes. And it transforms us all, too. I have many stories, the same thing, of me continuing to transform because of this knowledge. Thank you for the work that you do. 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